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Well, sounds like he was polite, but I hope the Obamunists don't put the guy in time out for being inconsiderate of the Iranian's self-esteem.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... tunt-you-/

I bet somebody's shorts were full of bricks

Nice!

Cool


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Heck yeah.

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It is nice to know that while our president may be a whiny little girl being led around by the nose by an Iranian born Valarie Jarrett, our boys in the sky have some cajones!

The best part:
“He [the Raptor pilot] flew under their aircraft [the F-4s] to check out their weapons load without them knowing that he was there, and then pulled up on their left wing and then called them and said ‘you really ought to go home,’” Gen. Welsh said.

Ain't stealth with speed and agility wonderful? Especially when flown by some of the best combat pilots in the world.

It was probably scary for the Iranian to know that he could have been dead before he knew the Raptor was there.

What's Iranian for "I just sh't my flight suit"?

Reverenddel wrote:What's Iranian for "I just sh't my flight suit"?

What's Iranian for "Why didn't someone tell me there was an American Fighter Jet on my tail?"

haha saw this a few weeks ago.. good stuff..

Just goes to show you how good our pilots are and how good those "too dang expensive".. "never been to war" F-22's are

Very cool.

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That is awesome. Very good read. The best part is no one was hurt. That is the best result we could ask for.

I never understood the mindset behind nixing the F22. Same idiots killed the space program and now we have to hitch a ride from other countries. That was productive. LOL Maybe Rassia will let us barrow some MiG 23's since they are done with them.

MarcSpaz wrote: I never understood the mindset behind nixing the F22. Same idiots killed the space program and now we have to hitch a ride from other countries.

There are some legitimate reasons for thinking about nixing the F-22.

Without offering an opinion either way, here are a couple of considerations:

- It's expensive, both to produce and to maintain. Is it better to buy a lot more good F-16s and more really good F-15s, or just a few super super good F-22s? Quality or quantity?

- Compare the range, payload, and other capabilities between the F-22 and the F-15. One of the F-22's strengths is stealth, but compromises had to be made to get that. As an aeronautics professor told me: "there is no free lunch."

- The F-22 was designed for a major conflict against an advanced adversary. Its development started during the cold war, when the Berlin wall was still standing. Our last two wars (Iraq and Afghanistan) didn't really need all that the F-22 could provide (IOW, the F-22 was overkill). Are we going to fight the last battle, or will we go to war with a superpower? A very legitimate question that by itself will spark a long discussion.

- Some of the calls to cancel the program came during development. At the time, it was a high technical risk, and had suffered many delays and overruns. I'm not saying it was better or worse than other programs, but it boils down to a question that often gets asked during an acquisition program: do we go with a proven, low-risk solution (F-15, F-16) or a higher risk program (F-22)?

I agree ,the soviets had the idea of having a buttload of cheap tanks instead of a few better tanks and imo,there is nothing wrong with the aircraft we currently have


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To Trailrunners comment (mobile site lacks quote) we will find out. The Chinese are moving along by leaps and bounds.

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F22 must be of some value considering the Chinese have tried their damnedest to clone it. See what your enemy covets and plan accordingly....

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Remek is CORRECT! Watch the Chinese... Something is afoot over there...

trailrunner wrote:

MarcSpaz wrote: I never understood the mindset behind nixing the F22. Same idiots killed the space program and now we have to hitch a ride from other countries.

There are some legitimate reasons for thinking about nixing the F-22.

Without offering an opinion either way, here are a couple of considerations:

- It's expensive, both to produce and to maintain. Is it better to buy a lot more good F-16s and more really good F-15s, or just a few super super good F-22s? Quality or quantity?

- Compare the range, payload, and other capabilities between the F-22 and the F-15. One of the F-22's strengths is stealth, but compromises had to be made to get that. As an aeronautics professor told me: "there is no free lunch."

- The F-22 was designed for a major conflict against an advanced adversary. Its development started during the cold war, when the Berlin wall was still standing. Our last two wars (Iraq and Afghanistan) didn't really need all that the F-22 could provide (IOW, the F-22 was overkill). Are we going to fight the last battle, or will we go to war with a superpower? A very legitimate question that by itself will spark a long discussion.

- Some of the calls to cancel the program came during development. At the time, it was a high technical risk, and had suffered many delays and overruns. I'm not saying it was better or worse than other programs, but it boils down to a question that often gets asked during an acquisition program: do we go with a proven, low-risk solution (F-15, F-16) or a higher risk program (F-22)?

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On the other hand, if that same "stick-to-what-you-know-because-new-stuff-is-risky-and-expensive" logic had been applied (and it was suggested) way back during the development of the F-15 and F-16, where would we be now? And where will we be if the Chinese (or the Russians, or some other country inimical to the USA's interests) come up with something even half-way better than the F-15 & F-16 if we decline to develop the F-22?