Native new yorker hear with a warning to all virginia gun ow

[nymike]

Hello to all my friends in virginia.I have been following the governors race for some time now.I was born in the same city as terry m (syracuse) and i will be quite clear,he was never a hunter nor a gun owner till he showed up in virginia.He was and still is one of the most anti gun politicians to come out of nys.The recent events in nys with the passing of the anti gun ny safe act is exactly whats coming to a town near you if this guy gets elected mark my words.I read some postings on hear about your doubt if kc can be elected.Sure i understand he is not the best candidate,like i said i am from ny i know the feeling.I strongly urge you to study the ny safe act.What you will discover is beyond words.It is prob the most draconian anti gun law ever passed.You may even find that it surpasses california laws.There have been several intances of law abiding folks being arrested for having more than 7 rounds in there mags,yes it is illegal now in ny to have more than 7 rounds.And yes that includes all guns weather it is a 19th century lever action that holds more than 7 rounds or a 21st century semi auto.There is so much to the ny safe act for instance on jan 15th i have to by law register 3 of my guns,why well because they have that scary bayonet lug,really you can not make this stuff up.Oh and when a person dies,those registered guns that are considered assault weapons can not be handed down to the person you choose.I could go on and on but you get the point.What i am trying to do is hopefully convince all of you to get out and vote.Tell your friends and neighbors.It is not just a victory for you,it is a victory for me and millions of other freedom loving americans across this great nation.Thanks to all the freedom loving virginians.

[zykur]

Sadly I think we're not in a good position here in Virginia. As an exile of the Peoples Republic of Massachusetts and I'm familiar with restrictive laws where they tell you what you can own, getting permission to have a CCW and needing to prove you need it.

Unfortunately there is a lot of division among gun owners with the libertarian candidate thinking it will send a message to the Republicans not caring that they will hand the election to an devoted anti gun person.

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[SHMIV]

The one thing that we all seem to agree on is that Terry McAuliffe is definitely bad for Virginia.

The debate, here, is whether Sarvis or Cuccinelli is better for Virginia.

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[grumpyMSG]

The one thing that we all seem to agree on is that Terry McAuliffe is definitely bad for Virginia.

The debate, here, is whether Sarvis or Cuccinelli is better for Virginia.

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I don't think the debate is about which is better. The bigger part of the arguments are about whether a vote for Sarvis is like not voting at all. It its all too reminiscent of the Clinton/ Bush/ Perot election. I won't argue against maintaining your principles, but that might get you the least desirable of the three options.

[PhantomPhixer]

I won't argue against maintaining your principles, but that might get you the least desirable of the three options.

THIS. I still regret voting for Perot in that election.

[Reverenddel]

NYMIKE! C'mon down!

You would be a "Come-Here"! We like those folks!

Keep the T-Mac Carpetbaggin' lot the hellupthere!

[zykur]

I won't argue against maintaining your principles, but that might get you the least desirable of the three options.

THIS. I still regret voting for Perot in that election.

Me too, at the time I was young and identified myself with Republican values and Perot had a good message. Back then I didn't realize that most people voting for him were taking enough votes from Bush and handing the election to Clinton.

That being said I think there is room for Libertarian's in the GOP with people like Rand Paul I think we can transform the party. With the current 2 party system it's impossible to get much done on the national level and with so much at stake it's hard to take that Perot risk again.

[Remek]

Ahh Ross Perot. Notice that they lampooned him and it turned out EVERYTHING he predicted came true?

I think it might be a safe bet to vote for anyone who is lampooned by the media these days.

[kelu]

There's more:
http://washingtonexaminer.com/ted-cruz- ... le/2538205

Justice Department attorneys are advancing an argument at the Supreme Court that could allow the government to invoke international treaties as a legal basis for policies such as gun control that conflict with the U.S. Constitution, according to Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas.
"If the administration is right, the treaty power could become a backdoor way for the federal government to do everything from abolishing the death penalty nationwide, to outlawing homeschooling, to dramatically curtailing the states' rights to regulate abortion," she told the Washington Examiner.

[Remek]

I didnt read the article, but its based on the supremacy clause in the constitution.

The clause says that the (i) constitution, (ii) the treaties of the US and (iii) Federal statutes as the supreme laws of the land.

So, Mao is saying that the treaty is the supreme law of the land and trumps the bill of rights.

The problem with his inferior logic is multifold. First, the three items in the supremacy clause are written as being on equal terms. However, they CANNOT be on equal terms, because they can conflict (i.e, 2A and the treaty or statute). We already know that the constitution trumps the federal statutes, so why does it not trump treaties (foreign power)? Silly really, but it does show the lack of understanding Mao has of the constitution, even though being a constitutional law scholar, supposedly (I really doubt it these days).

Next, in historical context, we have to remember that the constitution was not agreed to be signed by the majority of the states without having the "trump" card of the bill of rights. As a condition of agreement, it was required that the bill of rights LIMIT the governing power.

I've only scratched the surface of arguments, but I assure you, every argument leads down the sole finding that the bill of rights (and now all amendments) trump all of the federal laws, all of the treaties, and all of the constitution itself.

I am betting Sen. Cruz agrees with me in that article.

Therefore, there is no way in hell this argument will go anywhere.

[Kreutz]

How is Syracuse these days? I heard Western NY is getting worse in terms of unemployment, blight, etc.

Perhaps a move to VA should be in your future. The heaviest snows will be a mere dusting to you.

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[nymike]

Thanks for all of your replies.I wanted to stay away from my political views as a whole,but i will say i am a registered libertarian and former registered conservative.I would more identify with tea party/libertarian for sure.I think rand paul is an outstanding person and look forward to him running for higher office.I know this man all to well (Tm) and i actually have a miniscule amount of respect for him as he is actually telling virginians how he is going to gut the second amendment.He is not trying to hide his socialist utopian views like most liberals until they are elected.I know a little about kc to say he would def not be my first choice.That being said i recognize the danger you are really in.I am one of those voters that will say well i will vote for the lesser of 2 evils.If i were a virginian i would not vote for sarvis just because i know the outcome if tm is victorious.Take it from me if you here democrat and native new yorker in the same sentence,you better run for cover.I have a saying,if the republicans are bad for this country the dems are down right dangerous.As a truck driver i have been to the south many times and i know how some southerners view us northerners and believe me i do not blame them.So how is syracuse and ny state in general,about what you would expect from decades of liberal control.My exile is already in motion.I received a good job offer in south dakota and will be out of here.The ny safe act was the icing on the cake.I will not nor will i ever register my firearms.I would rather die than live under tyranny.Another part of that law is back ground checks for ammo purchases,not kidding.With these posts i fully intend to scare you,tm comes from the same camp as our current dictator.And if you think he will not tread on your gun rights your in for a big surprise.Just get out and vote,you can not sit this one out.If a couple of electricians in colorado without a penny to there name can start a chain reaction to get 2 anti gun politicians recalled successfully then certainly virginia gun owners can preserve there rights.

[zykur]

NyMike, You are right if we turn out and unify our vote there is a chance to win however is McAuliffe wins and crams this down our throats we can't count on a recall. The restrictions are still on the books even though they removed two people who voted for the bans. It's going to be a long slow process for them if they are ever able to restore their gun rights.

This is why we have to take a stand now.
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep-xgd_eETE

[dorminWS]

Well said, Kreutz! When some of the other boys have done what they can on your re-education, I'll take you in hand and teach you how to cuss and chew tobacco like a true good ole boy.

[Kreutz]

Well said, Kreutz! When some of the other boys have done what they can on your re-education, I'll take you in hand and teach you how to cuss and chew tobacco like a true good ole boy.

Oh God chew....that brings back memories of the Army. Man, never could figure out how the good ole boys (and occasional girl) did that to themselves.

As a New Yorker the "f word" is basically a comma in my vocabulary but I'll never pass up an opportunity to expand the repertoire of cusses.

[ratherfish]

He caused me to bite off the end of my cigar a few times....lol


We MUST see thatr KC wins. The "come here's" are depending on us!

[Reverenddel]

This is a delightful example of how North, and South can actually get along, when we agree on one thing...

Anti-gun, pro-tax, anti-liberty, pro-political correctness just plain doesn't work, and is an AWFUL way to live!

[nymike]

Good point reverenddel,when i tell folks in other states,especially the south that i am from nys they automatically think nyc.Actually for the most part its just the opposite,especially where i live in northern ny.It is a sportsmans paradise.I am surrounded by thousands of acres of state land swarming with game,to many deer.I can walk out my back door and fire away.Atv's and snowmobiles are legal to ride the roads.Lake ontario and a lot of her tributaries are within miles of me,great fishing.I was intrigued by one of your members threads describing the hard time he is having finding a place to shoot.Heck around here you have a hard time just trying to decide where to go,there are to many places around here to shoot lol.But again it is all about the liberals and there nyc politics.All liberals in this state weather from upstate or down state all follow that code.And that includes mcauliffe.I am rooting for you folks on tuesday you can do it.Kick that sob out,just do not send him back to ny lol.

[Remek]

^^^ I have to admit, I really miss upstate New York. The awesome fishing, the fun winters, the great hunting. Just a wonderful place, and the people up there are pretty great too. Its just the opposite of that sh!t hole hanging off the bottom of the state.

I have a hard time thinking to go back there though, how do I go and throw dollars into a state I think is repressing its people? It's hard to reach that point though, the salmon and better yet the steelhead fishing is just over the top!

[JustinCase]

Some of this stuff that comes out, makes me sick to my stomach.

JC