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So apparently Washington signed paperwork with our Russian neighbors, that the Russian military will be/or can be used on our soil during an emergency in conjunction with FEMA.

Now I know and understand during an emergency many people from many countries come to help out such as in Katrina etc. However, those people usually come as a humanitarian group, from churches, doctors, etc. I could be wrong but I don't think many foreign forces come to police our streets during a disaster.

Maybe I am just a little to paranoid.

http://en.mchs.ru/news/item/434203/

"The Russian Emergency Situations Ministry and the USA Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) are going to exchange experts during joint rescue operations in major disasters. This is provided by a protocol of the fourth meeting of the U.S.-Russia Bilateral Presidential Commission Working Group on Emergency Situations and seventeenth meeting of Joint U.S.-Russia Cooperation Committee on Emergency Situations, which took place in Washington on 25 June.

The document provides for expert cooperation in disaster response operations and to study the latest practices.

In addition, the parties approved of U.S.-Russian cooperation in this field in 2013-2014, which envisages exchange of experience including in monitoring and forecasting emergency situations, training of rescuers, development of mine-rescuing and provision of security at mass events.

At the end of the meeting the parties expressed their satisfaction with the level of cooperation between the Russian Federation and the United States in the area of emergency prevention and response and agreed to develop it in order to respond efficiently to all kinds of disasters."

IF they come here, they will not return home.

"...and provision of security at mass events."

Guess he's not counting on Americans to back him up any more.

SpanishInquisition wrote:"...and provision of security at mass events."

Guess he's not counting on Americans to back him up any more.

Isn't The Super Bowl a "mass event" ?

We going to see Russians at our mass events now to?

How is this legal?

Oh this aint gonna blow up in their faces. Nope. Not one lil bit... and theres the sarcasm lesson for today.

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ok lets see a shtf situation (national disaster) and some armed rusky shows up at my door.....hmmmmm what will I do???

I do believe I would imagine a "Red Dawn" scenario.

WOLVERINESSSSSSSSS!!!!!

To inject a bit of reality into this it was not unusual to see foreign soldiers on post for joint training exercises. They generally always had much cooler looking uniforms than we did.

Kreutz, for training I would agree, but there's that tiny little bit of text I quoted in post #3 that makes me VERY nervous.

SpanishInquisition wrote:Kreutz, for training I would agree, but there's that tiny little bit of text I quoted in post #3 that makes me VERY nervous.

It doesn't strike you as odd that a Russian civil defense website (EMERCOM) is in English?

I call BS.

You anti-Obama folk want so desperately to find some sort of evil conspiracy. I am a Libertarian and no fan of Obama but even someone with a basic level or reading comprehension should be able to conclude that they are talking about sending a few people to exchange best practices (an exchange of ideas) for dealing with those situations. This is done all the time in the US military and through NATO. Yes Russia might send a few of their experts to the US or the US send a few of our experts to Russia but all that is happening is that the host country will rent out a Holiday Inn conference room and they will give some power point presentations on the basic points on how they handle disaster response and they will discuss it and share ideas.

This is not sending Russian troops to police American soil. No where in that article does it even suggest that. Ultimately it is done to generate a public news point to show the world that the US and Russia are still getting along.

Seriously, some of you probably need to take a deep breath and have a break from Fox News. Falling Skies is a great television series that has flown under the radar on TNT, maybe check that out instead?

I, too, glanced at this and could not see any clear indication that military boots-on-the-ground was contemplated. All I can read into the language I saw was pretty much what WBlacklidge said. Hell, the Rooskies OUGHT to have some expertise in dealing with disasters; they've orchestrated enough of them to get plenty of experience.

As for Fox news, I view them as more credible, less sanctimonious and less committed to someone else's agenda than ABC, NBC, or CBS; and I don't think I deserve to be awarded the order of the tinfoil hat because I find Fox News' coverage less biased and less offensive than that of the so-called MSM.

So, do I think from what I saw that the Rooshuns are sending troops? NO. That ain't what it says on the website. Do I trust the Obamorons to deal with any foreign power without getting handed their asses and/or giving away the farm? HELL NO. Feckless , dickless, limp-wristed apologists for America just can't BE trusted; not because they are necessarily mounting a foul conspiracy, but just because they are feckless , dickless, limp-wristed apologists for America who are accustomed to screwing up a wet dream and then not being held accountable for it. I'm just calling a spade a spade. Deal with it.

Kreutz wrote:

SpanishInquisition wrote:Kreutz, for training I would agree, but there's that tiny little bit of text I quoted in post #3 that makes me VERY nervous.

It doesn't strike you as odd that a Russian civil defense website (EMERCOM) is in English?

I call BS.

They know what country the viewing IP is in and pick the most likely language to present the site in. Click on "По-русски" in the top right gray bar and then get back to me on that BS call, m'kay?

WBlacklidge wrote:You anti-Obama folk want so desperately to find some sort of evil conspiracy. I am a Libertarian and no fan of Obama but even someone with a basic level or reading comprehension should be able to conclude that they are talking about sending a few people to exchange best practices (an exchange of ideas) for dealing with those situations. This is done all the time in the US military and through NATO. Yes Russia might send a few of their experts to the US or the US send a few of our experts to Russia but all that is happening is that the host country will rent out a Holiday Inn conference room and they will give some power point presentations on the basic points on how they handle disaster response and they will discuss it and share ideas.

This is not sending Russian troops to police American soil. No where in that article does it even suggest that. Ultimately it is done to generate a public news point to show the world that the US and Russia are still getting along.

Seriously, some of you probably need to take a deep breath and have a break from Fox News. Falling Skies is a great television series that has flown under the radar on TNT, maybe check that out instead?

I appreciate your opinion, as a matter of fact I appreciate a good debate. However, your need to put down or disparage a person or persons whom you don't know and disagree with is not necessary.

I will try to over look your un-needed attack on our collective/or just my reading level.

While I agree that the original intent is to be a meeting of minds, and they may send their experts and we send ours. That is not up for debate, I think everyone clearly understood that. However, its the chance that it will be abused and opening ourselves up to the possibility of abuse by foreign entities and a corrupt government that has, for some of us our hackles raised.

If you cannot be nice and debate an issue like an adult with out the insults, maybe you should go find another portion of the internet to troll.

Yeah that admittedly wasn't a fair thing to do (my Fox News comment). It was not alright to characterize a group of people based on their preferred news source. I go to CNN and get all the BS anti-gun crap and I go to Fox news and I get all the BS DHS crap and it seems these are very biased news sources. I don't take in enough of either of them to make a fair assessment.

I do wonder where a lot of people get it into their head that Obama or Bush have some evil agenda. Is it really that crazy to believe that they are both most likely good, well educated, experienced men that have the best of intentions for America. They can be all of those things and be still be absolutely wrong.

With all that said, I won't sit by idle when stuff like 'Russian Soldiers on our soil during an emergency' pops up and the conspiracy starts brewing.

If you were really upset about my post I do apologize. I don't actually write posts with the intent of distressing a fellow human, if that was the case I do genuinely apologize and I will try to approach discussions like this more appropriately. I was suggesting that you either chose to read only parts of the sentences of that entire news article or your comprehension of it just didn't take. I am not nice about it because perpetuation of conspiracy theories isn't something I will be part of. This is particularly the case here where clearly some blind leaps were taken to get to Russian soldiers on the streets of America. You have to be prepared for someone like me to come along and in the bluntest way possible challenge your ideas. We are all adults here and I think challenging your comprehension of the article was warranted. You posted in a public forum and I am not going to be nice about the suggestion that our government is working towards a situation where we would have Russian troops operating on US soil. It is fear mongering that has no basis in reality.

One more time, and think, damnit! Again, post three for a tiny snippet of text that seems glaring in today's political clime of weasel words, deniability, and out of control government.

What kind of "mass events" involve FEMA? Why would an such an agreement for training purrposes include providing security for FEMA "mass events"?

Do we have to wait till this passes to see what's in it also?

skeeterss0 wrote:ok lets see a shtf situation (national disaster) and some armed rusky shows up at my door.....hmmmmm what will I do???

I do believe I would imagine a "Red Dawn" scenario.

WOLVERINESSSSSSSSS!!!!!

I'll have my AK and off-brand Vodka on hand to make him feel at home.

If you take the three words out of context of the entire paragraph and put them in another sentence maybe you can get to Russian troops on US soil.

Lets look at the whole thing:

'In addition, the parties approved of U.S.-Russian cooperation in this field in 2013-2014, which envisages exchange of experience including in monitoring and forecasting emergency situations, training of rescuers, development of mine-rescuing and provision of security at mass events.'

exchange of experience. exchange of experience. exchange of experience.

The entire paragraph isn't even up for interpretation. It clearly says they are talking about how their disaster response groups can share information; best practices for handling security at mass events.

American guy - "From our experience restricting backpacks at events with a lot of people is a great idea."

Russian guy - "I agree, we should implement that approach. Lets get lunch."

WBlacklidge wrote:If you were really upset about my post I do apologize. I don't actually write posts with the intent of distressing a fellow human, if that was the case I do genuinely apologize and I will try to approach discussions like this more appropriately. I was suggesting that you either chose to read only parts of the sentences of that entire news article or your comprehension of it just didn't take. I am not nice about it because perpetuation of conspiracy theories isn't something I will be part of. This is particularly the case here where clearly some blind leaps were taken to get to Russian soldiers on the streets of America. You have to be prepared for someone like me to come along and in the bluntest way possible challenge your ideas. We are all adults here and I think challenging your comprehension of the article was warranted. You posted in a public forum and I am not going to be nice about the suggestion that our government is working towards a situation where we would have Russian troops operating on US soil. It is fear mongering that has no basis in reality.

Well not knowing you, and knowing that emotion through the written word is hard to convey some times.

I completely understand that you don't want to be part of a perpetuation 'conspiracy theory'. I did not posit a conspiracy theory, I was asking a question, well several questions. I put up something I found as a discussion point. Something I wanted to discuss. If you look at the title you will see that it has a question mark, and in my world that indicates a question.

I also know that in a public forum on the internet, that there will be blunt people on the forum. I have not problem with bluntness. However, like I said previously I do have a problem with people who throw insults just because they do not agree with what they are hearing/reading/or what another person thinks.

So you hate conspiracies and you don't want to be a part of them or perpetuate them, there is no need to call names, insult or otherwise insinuate with the excuse of "bluntest way possible". (Note:I am being blunt with you here and now.) There is no need in this forum for a person like you to insult or throw insults at me/us/or anyone.

Do you see how that is blunt but not calling names or being disparaging? (look its a question)

My opinions are this government is corrupt and has major issues with it. I will always be weary of a new agreement that allows for any kind of abuse without checks and balances.

Take it or leave it, you know what Opinions are like, and this one is mine. If it stinks to you... well then so be it. Ta ta

Have a nice day!

SpanishInquisition wrote:They know what country the viewing IP is in and pick the most likely language to present the site in. Click on "По-русски" in the top right gray bar and then get back to me on that BS call, m'kay?

They can determine my country via IP address?

Damn you Snowden!

Srsly though, good catch. I still stand by my BS detector going off on Russian soldiers policing the Super Bowl. I truly doubt this goes beyond joint training like WBlacklidge described.

In any event a few Russian soldiers are a drop in the bucket compared to all the weird crap thats been going on.