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RICHMOND, Va. -- Republican and Democratic operatives say the National Rifle Association will endorse Republican Bob McDonnell for governor.

The gun rights group plans to announce its endorsement in a Monday afternoon conference call for reporters.

People with knowledge of the NRA's decision confirmed the endorsement on the condition they not be identified because the announcement was pending.

Both McDonnell and his opponent, Democrat R. Creigh Deeds, have supported gun rights. Four years ago, the NRA endorsed Deeds over McDonnell in their race for attorney general.

Reported by FOXNews - http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09 ... -virginia/

No surprise here to me... Deeds has a couple strikes right out of the box,, He was on the committee that killed the Castle Doctrine without it even getting to the floor for a vote, last time and he "promises"to close the gun show loophole, He did send in his VGOC survey but I think it was just lip service to garner support,Not to mention his tax and spend plans,Ever notice how he references Warner much more than Kaine? Warner was relatively popular and Kaine won the douche bag award! Plus Deeds has become the stereotypical Democrat ,,, His new name calling and smear campaign only detracts form the truth that it will be business as usual if he gets elected. IMO we have had enough Democratic policy and it;s time for a change,,, Additionally we need to take back the Senate and get the Democratic choke hold out of there too. They cost us the good gun laws not getting passed last session. What we got was token effort at best,

Given the choices Deeds will NOT get my vote.

zephyp wrote:Given the choices Deeds will NOT get my vote.

+1, not gonna let my first vote for governor ruin my Commonwealth.

goodoleboy wrote:

zephyp wrote:Given the choices Deeds will NOT get my vote.

+1, not gonna let my first vote for governor ruin my Commonwealth.

We need to spread the word brother. They are, of course, trying to smear McDonnell and I aint buyin it.

I just told TheWife that we both need to go vote McDonnell on November 3rd. She agreed. I love her

VBshooter wrote:No surprise here to me... Deeds has a couple strikes right out of the box,, He was on the committee that killed the Castle Doctrine without it even getting to the floor for a vote, last time and he "promises"to close the gun show loophole, He did send in his VGOC survey but I think it was just lip service to garner support,Not to mention his tax and spend plans,Ever notice how he references Warner much more than Kaine? Warner was relatively popular and Kaine won the douche bag award! Plus Deeds has become the stereotypical Democrat ,,, His new name calling and smear campaign only detracts form the truth that it will be business as usual if he gets elected. IMO we have had enough Democratic policy and it;s time for a change,,, Additionally we need to take back the Senate and get the Democratic choke hold out of there too. They cost us the good gun laws not getting passed last session. What we got was token effort at best,

VB shooter this is very well said ---I agree with you.... on the rear window of my pick up truck is a bumper sticker that simply states ---- Republican For A Reason......

zephyp wrote:

They are, of course, trying to smear McDonnell and I aint buyin it.

This is a page right out of the Jim Webb book of dirty election tricks.. All it needs now is an accusation that he said the "N" word and it will be just like when Webb dirty dealt Allen out of his Senate seat,,,,,.Hopefully people are wiser now and will know it's an attempt to salvage an already lost race..

Howdy, Y'all,

Believe what you will about Deeds and McDonnell. I hope y'all are right. But Allen has got only himself to blame, he lost his bid for re-election 6 years earlier when he said he would support reviving the AWB. He later retracted, but he was already out of the closet. The "macaca" business played right into the dems hands, and their choice of a conservative candidate they could pass off as pro-gun sealed his fate. The democrats have learned, from their mistakes, how to win. The republicans could have picked a real conservative, but they chose this johnny-come-lately instead. Why? I'll tell you why! The spineless wimps believe what the libs in the press are saying about republicans, and conservative republicans in particular. So they try to make nice, and they put forth candidates like McDonnell, and McCain, and the Bushes, and Dole, and they keep losing to the likes of O'bama, Webb, Warner, Kaine, and Clinton.

Regards,

George

VBshooter wrote:zephyp wrote:

They are, of course, trying to smear McDonnell and I aint buyin it.

This is a page right out of the Jim Webb book of dirty election tricks.. All it needs now is an accusation that he said the "N" word and it will be just like when Webb dirty dealt Allen out of his Senate seat,,,,,.Hopefully people are wiser now and will know it's an attempt to salvage an already lost race..

Saul Alinsky's - Rules for Radicals - I'm reading it now. We need to learn their tactics and use them.

zephyp wrote:

VBshooter wrote:zephyp wrote:

They are, of course, trying to smear McDonnell and I aint buyin it.

This is a page right out of the Jim Webb book of dirty election tricks.. All it needs now is an accusation that he said the "N" word and it will be just like when Webb dirty dealt Allen out of his Senate seat,,,,,.Hopefully people are wiser now and will know it's an attempt to salvage an already lost race..

Saul Alinsky's - Rules for Radicals - I'm reading it now. We need to learn their tactics and use them.

Just to clarify before I post a link to that book.

Disclaimer: We are not radicals. We are linking to this publication in order to attempt think like a liberal - if for just a moment. Long enough to figure out how they manipulate common people (the media) and how they believe that a socially progressive nation is the nation that we need to be. Clearly, we (most of We) in this forum are quite the opposite. We believe in traditional values. We don't necessarily like body jewelry and Viagra commercials on TV for our kids to see. We love the Constitution and, as gun owners - we are a trustworthy bunch.

I digress. Here's the link.

http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&keyword ... nk_code=qs

allingeneral wrote:
Just to clarify before I post a link to that book.

Disclaimer: We are not radicals. We are linking to this publication in order to attempt think like a liberal - if for just a moment. Long enough to figure out how they manipulate common people (the media) and how they believe that a socially progressive nation is the nation that we need to be. Clearly, we (most of We) in this forum are quite the opposite. We believe in traditional values. We don't necessarily like body jewelry and Viagra commercials on TV for our kids to see. We love the Constitution and, as gun owners - we are a trustworthy bunch.

I digress. Here's the link.

http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&keyword ... nk_code=qs

Thanks for clarifying, Rick. The point being is we can use their own tactics against them. Know thy enemy and this is indeed their rule book. Its definitely an eye opener in the sense that you realize it describes their strategy to a tee.

Me thinks others here may have a copy of this book already...

George I agree with you on the point that Republicans believe what is being said about them and and act in turn,, Mcain came across so sterile it was embarasing, There is little doubt that they need to start playing the game the same dirty way, I still think the "N" word accusation is what sunk Allen..Up till then the "macaca" thing had pretty much blown over, As far as this election we have to deal with what they give and of the two I think McDonnell is the lesser of the two evils,

I disagree...

It is time to pull politics out of the gutter, first agreeing that we are all Americans, and that there has to be a greater common good, and not to push "start playing the game the same dirty way"... i truley believe that the citizenry is so tired and feed up with biz as usual, from both sides, that we would embrace a candidate that is real, factual, relevant, congent, and pumps thier own gas, shops at a grocery store for themselves, and sits in the same traffic that i do... and brings some undersanding of the constant grind that we as middle class shoulder for so many, seemingly milking the system...

and i guess to say "start playing the game the same dirty way "... is deaf to me as well...This poplitical skullduggery, underhanded dealing, lying, cheating, payola, favoritsm, and legislation of morality while they break every tenet they espouse, and let us not forget, flat out steal from us.... has gone on with both sides since this great country was founded, every once in a while, you catch one waving under the stall in bathroom, but it is far to infrequent for me...and i am sure it will continue, ... you want sectarian ranting and spittle backed finger pointing...well great news, they will certianly give that to you, in spades..and does that solve anything? I do not believe so, it just clearly demostrates thier lack of any real interpersonal skills or abilty to deal with the real issues facing the commonwealth and privide any type of leadershipp that would point us towards progress..these poeple are supposed to unite us...not divide... somehwere along the line, we have erred off the correct political path...we can certainly disagree, but the manner in which we disagree says more about who we are than who we elect...and to make a high road, someone has to walk that path first...

IMHO, Both candidates can go off to Massecusetts and get married to each other for all i care, and in my opinion, the commonwealth would far better off for it. I do believe these 2 gentlemen are far more worried about thier politcal aspirations, a cushy gov't position with lots o perks, a security detail, and driver...oh and and thier family fortune...not so much with the quality of our kids education, droppping land values, or scarcity of real jobs, personal freedoms, or anything else that has any relevence to the lives of ordinary citizens...

Another professional politician is not what any of us needs...
Just my .02

this post seemed to have dropped off the list...

was curious if anyone agreed with me or if you were going to tell me to go to hell... either is certainly fine...as it is your view...

but no response... is last thing i expected...
but it could be me...

Best regards!

BluemontGlock wrote:I disagree...

It is time to pull politics out of the gutter, first agreeing that we are all Americans, and that there has to be a greater common good, and not to push "start playing the game the same dirty way"... i truley believe that the citizenry is so tired and feed up with biz as usual, from both sides, that we would embrace a candidate that is real, factual, relevant, congent, and pumps thier own gas, shops at a grocery store for themselves, and sits in the same traffic that i do... and brings some undersanding of the constant grind that we as middle class shoulder for so many, seemingly milking the system...

and i guess to say "start playing the game the same dirty way "... is deaf to me as well...This poplitical skullduggery, underhanded dealing, lying, cheating, payola, favoritsm, and legislation of morality while they break every tenet they espouse, and let us not forget, flat out steal from us.... has gone on with both sides since this great country was founded, every once in a while, you catch one waving under the stall in bathroom, but it is far to infrequent for me...and i am sure it will continue, ... you want sectarian ranting and spittle backed finger pointing...well great news, they will certianly give that to you, in spades..and does that solve anything? I do not believe so, it just clearly demostrates thier lack of any real interpersonal skills or abilty to deal with the real issues facing the commonwealth and privide any type of leadershipp that would point us towards progress..these poeple are supposed to unite us...not divide... somehwere along the line, we have erred off the correct political path...we can certainly disagree, but the manner in which we disagree says more about who we are than who we elect...and to make a high road, someone has to walk that path first...

IMHO, Both candidates can go off to Massecusetts and get married to each other for all i care, and in my opinion, the commonwealth would far better off for it. I do believe these 2 gentlemen are far more worried about thier politcal aspirations, a cushy gov't position with lots o perks, a security detail, and driver...oh and and thier family fortune...not so much with the quality of our kids education, droppping land values, or scarcity of real jobs, personal freedoms, or anything else that has any relevence to the lives of ordinary citizens...

Another professional politician is not what any of us needs...
Just my .02

I won't/can't disagree with you. I do agree with an earlier post that McDonnell seems to be the "Lesser of two evils". It has really come to that these days, that we have to vote for the person who we think will do the least damage to our own views rather than the one who we think will do the job and do it right. Because neither candidate will "Do it right". There will always be those who disagree with them, and unfortunately, a lot of times, those who disagree are waving cash in the air and expecting to get their way. And a lot of times, they get it.

So - What to do? Elect McDonnell - hope he serves us well, then have this discussion again in 4 years.

This ties back in a little with the other discussion about term limits. We also need campaign reform so regular citizens can run and win. I'm sick of seeing only the rich and famous which usually means rich and corrupt. And it sometimes does come down to the lesser of two evils.

The bottom line is someone will always win. As citizens we need to sift all the BS and figure out the best one. IMO its gonna be that way for a while unless everybody just stops voting. The problem is that all crap stinks and its a difficult problem to determine which pile stinks less.

Knew i could count on the two of you...!!
as i get tired of debating with myself as i am kinda of a jerk...
I am mostly harmless, as i know what wrong with me, and i am OK with that...

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"What to do? Elect McDonnell - hope he serves us well, then have this discussion again in 4 years"...Rick

Agreed... maybe i am just feeling pinched by the two party system... as i have always had great distain for "the lesser of two evils", but as an American Citizen, no vote = no right , or cause, to complain or champion...so vote i will, i just don't get the patriotic tingles when I cannot really identify with either candidate... i know, it sounds like a personal growth opportunty

DK...you are most wise in the ways of science -and- politics...
thank you for your post, frutration is never as bad when shared...

Gents, Do Good Things and Carry On!
Very best!

Eliot, you are too kind with your words. I'm mainly someone who is just sick and fed up with what's going on - been going on for a long time - with our country. Its time to draw a line in the dirt and take a stand. I will say that I'm not interested in issues of the day. The way I see it the candidates that support God, guns, country, and the Constitution will get my vote.