Virginia Gun Owners Forum - VGOF

We all know that Obama is likely responsible for more gun sales in the US than any other person in history. The question in my mind is, what is he thinking, regarding undoing this? He obviously sees that he is doing damage to his own issue. Guns are becoming more and more prevalent, and more and more individuals are becoming pro-gun, all by his doing. It's as if he's doing exactly what he would not want to do... and that is, toy with the idea of massive new gun control, or even confiscation. Then in the back of everyone's mind is grandfathering, so people run out and buy guns so they will be in the "Haves", when "the time" comes.

He's either thinking "Oh well, I'm screwing this one up royally, because there is no way I will pass anything major to undo all this damage... I give up on this one" - OR - he's thinking "At some point I've got to do something huge - that's the only way to undo this. I have to get these guns back from the citizens. No grandfathering - no halfway legislation - I've let this get away from me, and I have to undo it in toto - any way I can, even if history hates me for it".

What do you think is going on in his head?

Whatever George Soros tells him.

Whatever House Saud tells Valerie Jarrett to tell him.

UN small arms treaty. Which is a joke, because governments send arms to rebels, and says that it must be done anything to reduce violence.

And how will he do it? What do you think all that ammo and those MRAPs are for?

The joke's on us. We bought all those guns and ammo just so the DHS can seize them.

In other words, the NRA's salesman of the year convinced us to buy guns for him.

Think about that tonight and try to sleep.

I don't think so OakRidge.......they can't find 10 million illegal immigrants. How are they going to find 300,000,000+ guns. It is not that I think that they don't want to do it, it is just that I think the same people who run the post office can't possibly a facilitate such a seizure in a manner that would not threaten their own lives.

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The Revolutionary War was started on April 19, 1775 because the British tried to seize the arms and powder belonging to the Americans in Concord. In fact, they had been attempting to seize weapons and powder stores in several Massachusetts towns since September, 1774. Weapons confiscation has been a step in every takeover by evil dictators in modern history.

In 1775 the Americans had several advantages: (1) the enemy was a foreign occupying force, obvious by their uniforms; (2) the Americans were a cohesive community with good communications and strong bonds between neighbors and friends; (3) the Americans could communicate and organize easily without surveillance or interference by the British (the spying of the traitorous Dr. Benjamin Church notwithstanding); (4) the Americans had months to organize, prepare and train their militias before the action started (5) Gen. Thomas Gage, the head of the British forces in America, had great respect for the rule of law and did not imprison such pivotal men as Sam Adams and Paul Revere months before, although many in England urged him to do so.

None of those advantages applies today. If you tried to organize a Committee of Safety or a Training Band, you would be arrested and imprisoned as a "domestic terrorist". NSA and DHS spying makes electronic communication insecure, and you know about drones. The "Progressive" authorities could easily isolate and pick off individuals without backlash from the community, and have the resources to act with sufficient speed to make a dragnet strategy very effective. Those arrested would be branded by the state-controlled media as "criminals" and "dangers to society", and nobody would rise up to defend them. If you were SWATted, how many of your neighbors would defend you? And we already know that Zero, Holder and Jan Nappy have no respect for the rule of law.

Additionally, food was produced locally and in widely distributed nodes; today, with highly concentrated production of food and energy it would be easy to isolate and starve a population by blocking a few interstate highways.

No, the Americans of 1775 had it relatively easy.

mamabearCali wrote:I don't think so OakRidge.......they can't find 10 million illegal immigrants. How are they going to find 300,000,000+ guns. It is not that I think that they don't want to do it, it is just that I think the same people who run the post office can't possibly a facilitate such a seizure in a manner that would not threaten their own lives.

When theres a will theres a way, and no one has the will to find any illegals.

Gun owners can be squeezed hard enough to "self-disarm". And there will be the will for that.

Dont forget polls show 58,000,000% (or whatever the hell its up to now) of gun owners (including NRA members as they always throw in) support losing their freedoms to begin with.

Well if we are talking polls Kruetz. There was one out this week that only 20% of Americans would favor disarmament in any fashion and that many leftists were 100% against this to start with.

Sure you can find the guns.....if you are willing to be known as William the Bastard's twin that razed the country. You would have to bulldoze America house by house and tear up each and every yard, lot, basement all while not getting shot in the process. Gun Ownership is in our DNA here. We practically wean our children on air rifles. 300,000,000 guns.....they already fired a warning shot with this nonsense going on right now. So gun owners are awake and aware that the enemy is afoot. I am sure many are taking precautions against being disarmed.

Obama should be proud. It's the only thing he's ever done that actually stimulated private economic activity that was not propped up by government spending. Yeeees, it was bass-ackerds from what he wanted to acomplish, but we should all be accustomed to that outcome by now.

The laws of unintended consequences are never wrong.

mamabearCali wrote:Well if we are talking polls Kruetz. There was one out this week that only 20% of Americans would favor disarmament in any fashion and that many leftists were 100% against this to start with.

I'm just referencing this mythical "85% of Americans" line I keep seeing tossed out by Feinstein and her ilk.

Sure you can find the guns.....if you are willing to be known as William the Bastard's twin that razed the country. You would have to bulldoze America house by house and tear up each and every yard, lot, basement all while not getting shot in the process.

That sounds hard. I was thinking of paying well for people to narc on gun owners and get them that way, or create a culture of paranoia to shatter nay unified resistance amongst gun owners. Plus every podunk craphole seems to have a full SWAT team now to hit people at 3AM to follow up on the info they buy.

Gun Ownership is in our DNA here. We practically wean our children on air rifles. 300,000,000 guns.....they already fired a warning shot with this nonsense going on right now. So gun owners are awake and aware that the enemy is afoot. I am sure many are taking precautions against being disarmed.

Worship of Mannon is also in the American DNA. Plenty of Americans will do anything for money.

You're talking about widespread forced confiscation, I'm talking about gun ownership being so risky and dangerous many people will voluntarily ditch their guns or just bury 'em and leave them there. Just like the idea of illegals "self-deporting", alot of Americans may "self-disarm".

As opposed to your confiscation I predict a voluntary turn in for amnesty. The ones that hold back would face violent confiscation, but I wouldn't be surprised if you could get half of the country to turn the guns in themselves with the right carrots, sticks, and fear.

Kreutz wrote:As opposed to your confiscation I predict a voluntary turn in for amnesty. The ones that hold back would face violent confiscation, but I wouldn't be surprised if you could get half of the country to turn the guns in themselves with the right carrots, sticks, and fear.

The government's "Rat on your Neighbor" bounty will be largely responsible for gun owners self-disarming.

There is a saying that happens when the word turns violent and Lord of flies ensued. Snitches get stitches.

If y'all a willing to roll over and take it....why don't you turn them in now. No trouble then. Heck look around there might even be a buy back you might get $200.

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I cant believe that it is going as far as it is. My question is when will the new yorkers stand up and "fight" for your rights? They passed that lump without anybody knowing till it was too late and I havent heard of anybody doing anything but gripping on the internet.

Justifying my means with their end.

I didn't realize this when I posted earlier about a "Rat on your Neighbor" program, but New Joisy already has such a program in place.

Try to contain your shock and amazement.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/03/20/new-y ... un-owners/

mamabearCali wrote:There is a saying that happens when the word turns violent and Lord of flies ensued. Snitches get stitches.

If y'all a willing to roll over and take it....why don't you turn them in now. No trouble then. Heck look around there might even be a buy back you might get $200.

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Why turn in yours for 200 when you can narc on someone else for 500?

I realize you're an optimist, but my jaundiced, paranoid, and frankly apathetic view of people and their behavior seems to be bearing out more in reality.

Wish you were right, but I really do think the situation will lead to what I described, hell, its starting now. We already see gun owners being treated as child sex criminals in a few areas.

Its a simple misleading power trip. If I tell a crack head I will give you all the crack you could ever want but you can only use it in when and how I tell you too, I could control every crackhead in the nation. There plan is to get everyone to buy guns while talks about gun bans stray on. This allows them to focus on their real agenda in the background. If we dont stand for or rights they will simply issue an executive order saying "you are now slaves". Keep giving congress and everyone else raises and more power and the american dream will die off. This is why although the threats of gun bans makes us all ready to fight we need to make sure they do not infringe on any of our rights. The politicains need to be taken off their pedastool and made to realize why they are really their.

Kreutz wrote:

mamabearCali wrote:There is a saying that happens when the word turns violent and Lord of flies ensued. Snitches get stitches.

If y'all a willing to roll over and take it....why don't you turn them in now. No trouble then. Heck look around there might even be a buy back you might get $200.

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Why turn in yours for 200 when you can narc on someone else for 500?

I realize you're an optimist, but my jaundiced, paranoid, and frankly apathetic view of people and their behavior seems to be bearing out more in reality.

Wish you were right, but I really do think the situation will lead to what I described, hell, its starting now. We already see gun owners being treated as child sex criminals in a few areas.

I know I am an optimist, but I try to be practical in my optimism. I think they are going to try whatever they can. It is my hope that we are not so far gone that there is not a spirit of freedom and a love of liberty in our country. The constitution only protects us if the spirit of the law exists in the hearts and minds of the people. If we don't have that, then it is just a matter of time before we lose the light the western civilization lit, and we all plunge into a ever darkening time of hardship and horror. But I still have faith that we can make it through. I have hope that the light is not so far gone that it cannot be salvaged.