These are Not Your Father's Video Games

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These are Not Your Father's Video Games

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The next time you see a malleable child with a game controller in his or her hand, fully absorbed in a game and seemingly oblivious to the world around them, please consider …

This is the state of mind that governments endeavor to induce in soldiers, snipers, assassins and spies when training them to kill without conscious thought or hesitation.

See: http://seggleston.com/1/misc/v-video-games
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Oh yeah all the years I've spent killing pixelated people have left me a killing machine! :roll:
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I've played many a hyper-violent video game, watched many violent movies, and have no desire whatsoever to hurt anyone.
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Played D&D/Shadowrun, violent video games, heavy metal music... and I my head is screwed on straight. My parents made sure of that.
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I've played Grand Theft Auto and thought once in awhile what it would be like to smash cars with a massive city bus... :). But no, I didn't.
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i don't see how you can make an argument that "guns don't kill people, people kill people" then turn around and say that video games are the problem. isn't a video game just another inanimate object being used as a scapegoat? if anything is to blame it is bad/lack of parenting or mental illness that turns people into criminals. that or just the plain old fact that some people are inherently evil
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Wow. I'm 24 years old and have been playing shooters since 1997, or since I was 9 years old. My love for gun started with video games. I would spend hours on google looking up the history of the weapons I was using in said video games.

1997 - Goldeneye N64
Present - Call of Duty and Battlefield.

I have never once decided to go out and massacre people just because video games make it seem fun.
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You are missing the point folks ,,,,

No one suggested that any single factor is a CAUSE, merely that as these simulations become more sophisticated, how will they affect people who may already be "On the Edge"

I'm suggesting that, since in my article that I ruled out the weapon as a causative factor, merely an enabler that is easily substituted.

And you really have no idea of the intensity of some of these advanced simulator prototypes until you've felt the same sense of relief when it's over that you do waking uf from a very bad dream.

This is NOT about censorship or regulation, merely a speculation.
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Eh... Cool story bro.
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Kreutz wrote:I've played many a hyper-violent video game, watched many violent movies, and have no desire whatsoever to hurt anyone.
This.
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Notice to OP, I'm playing Call of Duty 4 on my laptop with textures maxed out (Photorealistic). I'll keep a diary of my feelings as I play. If I feel homicidal you'll be the first to know. :roll:
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9mmjhp wrote:i don't see how you can make an argument that "guns don't kill people, people kill people" then turn around and say that video games are the problem. isn't a video game just another inanimate object being used as a scapegoat? if anything is to blame it is bad/lack of parenting or mental illness that turns people into criminals. that or just the plain old fact that some people are inherently evil
Guns are not interactive and suggestive the way video games are. Gun=tool, violent video game=interactive teaching of behavior through redundancy. Why else would so many teaching tools be formatted as games? Humans are by nature predators..... Both eyes facing forward, etc.... Violent behavior is a human trait. That behavior can be suppressed or released at will. Video games that are violent have the potential to suggest that it's okay to be violent to "win" at whatever you endeavor may be.

Can you see now?



Having said that, I do play FPSs on a regular basis. ;)
I had a SCAR 17 and 16. I also had a bunch of Glocks and a couple H&K pistols. Oh and a DDM4, but I sold everything when our government told me these dangerous tools can actually hurt someone. Apparently they grow legs and go on killing sprees.
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scrubber3 wrote:
9mmjhp wrote:Can you see now?
As I sit here blowing away terrorists and russians, No I can't see.
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I wouldn't mind if brains were conditioned to blow away terrorists. :clap:
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MNMGoneShooting wrote:I've played Grand Theft Auto and thought once in awhile what it would be like to smash cars with a massive city bus... :). But no, I didn't.
I liked how the physics engine would send motorcyclists you rear-end with a large vehicle tumbling straight up through the air in Vice City...plus the soundtrack was fantastic.
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HilarityEnsues wrote:
scrubber3 wrote:
9mmjhp wrote:Can you see now?
As I sit here blowing away terrorists and russians, No I can't see.
Evidently you're not one to release your anger out on other people. Not that I think those that are affected by it even know what's happening..... Probably because they're too busy being arrogant smarta$$es.

Last part of the statement I made said that I play FPSs. Better known as First Person Shooters.... So yes, I blow up bad guys too. Just like I did when I was in the sand box and Eastern Europe. :)
I had a SCAR 17 and 16. I also had a bunch of Glocks and a couple H&K pistols. Oh and a DDM4, but I sold everything when our government told me these dangerous tools can actually hurt someone. Apparently they grow legs and go on killing sprees.
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My youngest son has played video games since he was about 5 years old. All the violent ones too. He has also watched violent war related material such as, "Band of Brother" and "The Pacific". The only negative I have seen so far is that he made me buy him an M1 Grande. A little bit hard on the pocket book but I was glad to pay the price because the violent video games has given him an appreciation of war as well as a history lesson in classic weapons. I have worked many gun shows and it is the kids, I would say from 25 years on down, that understand and have an appreciation of historic firearms. Their dads (35-45yrs) are not as knowledgeable as their kids in a lot of cases strictly due to the kids exposure to video games.

I think the problem arises when a kid is borderline and does not have the quality and quantity of parental involvement that they need. In those cases I think the video games can cause desensitization to the true potential of a firearm. If a kid is close to the edge they may see a senseless violent act as an extension of the game. That's the way a crazy mind works. Thems my thoughts.
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Doyle wrote:I think the problem arises when a kid is borderline and does not have the quality and quantity of parental involvement that they need. In those cases I think the video games can cause desensitization to the true potential of a firearm. If a kid is close to the edge they may see a senseless violent act as an extension of the game. That's the way a crazy mind works. Thems my thoughts.
You got it!

AND you are to be commended as a parent, by doing what every parent should do ... getting involved.

BTW: Good Show on the M1

AND TO REPEAT for the benefit of others ....

I'm NOT suggesting that virtual violence is THE cause of anything, but MAY form a link in the chain and would be worthy of study outside of the government.

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HilarityEnsues wrote:...to go out and massacre people just because video games make it seem fun.
massacre people = video games make it seem fun :doh: :roll:
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newdovo wrote:
HilarityEnsues wrote:...to go out and massacre people just because video games make it seem fun.
massacre people = video games make it seem fun :doh: :roll:
Thats the thing about violent video games, they're sort of a stress reducer. It probably sounds sick to folks who don't play them or condone playing them, but a few years back I was out of work and feeling really depressed and aggitated. One night I put the RPG's away and put GTA IV in my PS3. I spent hours upon hours driving around the city blowing stuff up and killing NPC's. The next morning I woke up and felt pretty dang good.

As long as you do it in a video game, I don't see anything wrong with it.
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