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German gun control act of 1938
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TOOO familiar!
Re: German gun control act of 1938
Sorry to pee on the parade but the Nazis loosened gun laws from Weimar Germany which had a near total ban on private firearm ownership.
The gun laws post-Nazi were similar to the gun laws of the US at the time,from prohibiting felons and "mental defectives" (ah, the un-pc days)from owning guns to a healthy dose of racial discrimination (a jew would have had as easy a time in Germany getting a gun as a black man would have in Alabama).
The nazi gun grabber thing is kind of a myth.
The gun laws post-Nazi were similar to the gun laws of the US at the time,from prohibiting felons and "mental defectives" (ah, the un-pc days)from owning guns to a healthy dose of racial discrimination (a jew would have had as easy a time in Germany getting a gun as a black man would have in Alabama).
The nazi gun grabber thing is kind of a myth.
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Re: German gun control act of 1938
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kreutz wrote:Sorry to pee on the parade but the Nazis loosened gun laws from Weimar Germany which had a near total ban on private firearm ownership.
The gun laws post-Nazi were similar to the gun laws of the US at the time,from prohibiting felons and "mental defectives" (ah, the un-pc days)from owning guns to a healthy dose of racial discrimination (a jew would have had as easy a time in Germany getting a gun as a black man would have in Alabama).
The nazi gun grabber thing is kind of a myth.
No, Kreutz, the myth is that the liberal gun-grabbers in our country today are any less dangerous to liberty and properly restrained government than the Nazis were.
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Gun-crazy? Me? I'd say the gun-crazy ones are the ones that don’t HAVE one.
Gun-crazy? Me? I'd say the gun-crazy ones are the ones that don’t HAVE one.
Re: German gun control act of 1938
Kreutz, et. al., Sorry but I am not seeing point on where the 1938 law relaxed anything from the law enacted in 1928. Excerpt from Wikipedia.
History of firearms restrictions in Germany
[edit]Restrictions imposed by the treaty of Versailles
In 1919 and 1920, to stabilize the country and in part to comply with the Treaty of Versailles, the German Weimar government passed very strict gun ownership restrictions. Article 169 of the Treaty of Versailles stated, "Within two months from the coming into force of the present Treaty, German arms, munitions, and war material, including anti-aircraft material, existing in Germany in excess of the quantities allowed, must be surrendered to the Governments of the Principal Allied and Associated Powers to be destroyed or rendered useless."[1]
In 1919, the German government passed the Regulations on Weapons Ownership, which declared that "all firearms, as well as all kinds of firearms ammunition, are to be surrendered immediately."[2] Under the regulations, anyone found in possession of a firearm or ammunition was subject to five years' imprisonment and a fine of 100,000 marks.
On August 7, 1920, the German government enacted a second gun-regulation law called the Law on the Disarmament of the People. It put into effect the provisions of the Versailles Treaty in regard to the limit on military-type weapons.
In 1928, the German government enacted the Law on Firearms and Ammunition. This law relaxed gun restrictions and put into effect a strict firearm licensing scheme. Under this scheme, Germans could possess firearms, but they were required to have separate permits to do the following: own or sell firearms, carry firearms (including handguns), manufacture firearms, and professionally deal in firearms and ammunition. This law explicitly revoked the 1919 Regulations on Weapons Ownership, which had banned all firearms possession.
Stephen Halbrook writes about the German gun restriction laws in the 1919-1928 period, "Within a decade, Germany had gone from a brutal firearms seizure policy which, in times of unrest, entailed selective yet immediate execution for mere possession of a firearm, to a modern, comprehensive gun control law."[3]
[edit]The 1938 German Weapons Act
The 1938 German Weapons Act, the precursor of the current weapons law, superseded the 1928 law. As under the 1928 law, citizens were required to have a permit to carry a firearm and a separate permit to acquire a firearm. Furthermore, the law restricted ownership of firearms to "...persons whose trustworthiness is not in question and who can show a need for a (gun) permit." Under the new law:
Gun restriction laws applied only to handguns, not to long guns or ammunition. Writes Prof. Bernard Harcourt of the University of Chicago, "The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition."[4]
The groups of people who were exempt from the acquisition permit requirement expanded. Holders of annual hunting permits, government workers, and NSDAP members were no longer subject to gun ownership restrictions. Prior to the 1938 law, only officials of the central government, the states, and employees of the German Reichsbahn Railways were exempted.[5]
The age at which persons could own guns was lowered from 20 to 18.[5]
The firearms carry permit was valid for three years instead of one year.[5]
Jews were forbidden from the manufacturing or dealing of firearms and ammunition.[6]
Under both the 1928 and 1938 acts, gun manufacturers and dealers were required to maintain records with information about who purchased guns and the guns' serial numbers. These records were to be delivered to a police authority for inspection at the end of each year.
On November 11, 1938, the Minister of the Interior, Wilhelm Frick, passed Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons. This regulation effectively deprived all Jews of the right to possess firearms or other weapons.[7]
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History of firearms restrictions in Germany
[edit]Restrictions imposed by the treaty of Versailles
In 1919 and 1920, to stabilize the country and in part to comply with the Treaty of Versailles, the German Weimar government passed very strict gun ownership restrictions. Article 169 of the Treaty of Versailles stated, "Within two months from the coming into force of the present Treaty, German arms, munitions, and war material, including anti-aircraft material, existing in Germany in excess of the quantities allowed, must be surrendered to the Governments of the Principal Allied and Associated Powers to be destroyed or rendered useless."[1]
In 1919, the German government passed the Regulations on Weapons Ownership, which declared that "all firearms, as well as all kinds of firearms ammunition, are to be surrendered immediately."[2] Under the regulations, anyone found in possession of a firearm or ammunition was subject to five years' imprisonment and a fine of 100,000 marks.
On August 7, 1920, the German government enacted a second gun-regulation law called the Law on the Disarmament of the People. It put into effect the provisions of the Versailles Treaty in regard to the limit on military-type weapons.
In 1928, the German government enacted the Law on Firearms and Ammunition. This law relaxed gun restrictions and put into effect a strict firearm licensing scheme. Under this scheme, Germans could possess firearms, but they were required to have separate permits to do the following: own or sell firearms, carry firearms (including handguns), manufacture firearms, and professionally deal in firearms and ammunition. This law explicitly revoked the 1919 Regulations on Weapons Ownership, which had banned all firearms possession.
Stephen Halbrook writes about the German gun restriction laws in the 1919-1928 period, "Within a decade, Germany had gone from a brutal firearms seizure policy which, in times of unrest, entailed selective yet immediate execution for mere possession of a firearm, to a modern, comprehensive gun control law."[3]
[edit]The 1938 German Weapons Act
The 1938 German Weapons Act, the precursor of the current weapons law, superseded the 1928 law. As under the 1928 law, citizens were required to have a permit to carry a firearm and a separate permit to acquire a firearm. Furthermore, the law restricted ownership of firearms to "...persons whose trustworthiness is not in question and who can show a need for a (gun) permit." Under the new law:
Gun restriction laws applied only to handguns, not to long guns or ammunition. Writes Prof. Bernard Harcourt of the University of Chicago, "The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition."[4]
The groups of people who were exempt from the acquisition permit requirement expanded. Holders of annual hunting permits, government workers, and NSDAP members were no longer subject to gun ownership restrictions. Prior to the 1938 law, only officials of the central government, the states, and employees of the German Reichsbahn Railways were exempted.[5]
The age at which persons could own guns was lowered from 20 to 18.[5]
The firearms carry permit was valid for three years instead of one year.[5]
Jews were forbidden from the manufacturing or dealing of firearms and ammunition.[6]
Under both the 1928 and 1938 acts, gun manufacturers and dealers were required to maintain records with information about who purchased guns and the guns' serial numbers. These records were to be delivered to a police authority for inspection at the end of each year.
On November 11, 1938, the Minister of the Interior, Wilhelm Frick, passed Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons. This regulation effectively deprived all Jews of the right to possess firearms or other weapons.[7]
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Re: German gun control act of 1938
yes, they took away the rights of the Jewish to own weapons, and then the Jews went on living happily ever after without ever worrying about gun violence 
Re: German gun control act of 1938
Doyle, not to be rude, but did you read your own source?
Complete deregulation of long guns, permit exemptions being expanded, lowering the age from 20 to 18, extending a permit from 1 year to 3; these are all examples of "loosening".
Complete deregulation of long guns, permit exemptions being expanded, lowering the age from 20 to 18, extending a permit from 1 year to 3; these are all examples of "loosening".
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Lets talk about registration shall we. Correct me if I am wrong, as I am sure you will have no problem with doing so, but I think that was still a requirement in 38. Maybe that was the whole problem......just a thought. Not to be rude Kreutz but that loosening up of gun laws in Germany really worked out well didn't it.
Re: German gun control act of 1938
Please note I said the law of 1938 "loosened" Weimer-era laws, I did not say they eliminated them.Doyle wrote:Lets talk about registration shall we. Correct me if I am wrong, as I am sure you will have no problem with doing so, but I think that was still a requirement in 38.
Your source agreed with me.
Re: German gun control act of 1938
I think the confusion most have with Germany has to do with Germany banning weapons in the lands of the invaded countries, wherein only police and military were allowed to have weapons and none of the citizens, which kinds of makes sense since they just invaded them