Virginia Gun Owners Forum - VGOF

Why Romney Lost

Romney said, "When I'm elected, I will put Americans back to work,"

and 51% said, "The Hell With That!!"

These are not my words........they belong to the 51%...........

I agree ,the useless bastards didn;t want work,,they wnated Obamas handouts... and worse was the people who could have changed it sat on their damn hands again....

Its a little more complex then that...but theres definitely a dedicated cadre of handout-hunters who would have been afraid of losing their free crap.

The twitter feed for I think it was #ifmittromenywins was hilarious, basically alot of diverse-Americans afraid of losing their EBT.

People this election voted for what's best for THEM, not THE COUNTRY!

JFK rollin' in his grave.

Hope LBJ is giving Satan his due...

Can't put people who dont want to work, back to work. Right now theres tons of stories about entry level jobs going unfilled because mr.useless liberal arts degree doesn't want to work hard for 12/hr.

Anyways that's not why Romney lost.

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Because we lost the ability to require any qualifications to vote. Any moron with a pulse can vote. hell the dems were canvasing housing projects to make sure everyone voted.

Now I believe in live and let live, but people who contribute nothing and have no ambition to better themselves voting is an isult to me and many working americans.

People get down on their luck. That is fine, but its one thing to make welfare and so forth a way of life for generations and to view private parts as welfare check producing factories.

Why Romeny lose?
1, The 13th-15th Amendments were in place. Without them no obama. I am not saying slavery was not wrong, but just stating a fact. without them Obama does not win.

2 Too many white people did not have enought pride in their heritage or nation. Although Obama has woken many white people up and he only got 39% of the white vote. I wonder what percentage of tax dollars break down demographically. I dare say more taxpayers did not want Obama in and more mooches did

3 Many, not all, latinos do not have loyatly to the usa and think their people should be able to break in and stay in our nation breeding like rats.

Those are the reason. They might be inconvienient and not politically correct but its the truth. ITs pretty bad when we have to pander to illegal aliens and their supporters in our own country.

hairtriggerglock17 wrote:Because we lost the ability to require any qualifications to vote. Any moron with a pulse can vote. hell the dems were canvasing housing projects to make sure everyone voted.

Now I believe in live and let live, but people who contribute nothing and have no ambition to better themselves voting is an isult to me and many working americans.

People get down on their luck. That is fine, but its one thing to make welfare and so forth a way of life for generations and to view private parts as welfare check producing factories.

Are you seriously advocating disenfranchising American citizens based on some arbitrary criteria? Astounding suggestion!

Why Romeny lose?
1, The 13th-15th Amendments were in place. Without them no obama. I am not saying slavery was not wrong, but just stating a fact. without them Obama does not win.

Yea, Romney lost because of a few amendments that were passed 150 years ago. You have a knack for identifying cause-effect relations.

2 Too many white people did not have enought pride in their heritage or nation. Although Obama has woken many white people up and he only got 39% of the white vote. I wonder what percentage of tax dollars break down demographically. I dare say more taxpayers did not want Obama in and more mooches did

It sounds like you're mad that there are less white people living in the USA than there were 100 years ago. yes/no?

3 Many, not all, latinos do not have loyatly to the usa and think their people should be able to break in and stay in our nation breeding like rats.

This is an ironic statement because latinos are probably the biggest minority group serving in the US military and they take their military service very seriously.

Those are the reason. They might be inconvienient and not politically correct but its the truth. ITs pretty bad when we have to pander to illegal aliens and their supporters in our own country.

Obama has deported more illegal immigrants than H.W. Bush, yet you think his immigration policy "panders" to illegal aliens. What? Please reconcile your opinion with the facts.

hairtriggerglock17 wrote:Because we lost the ability to require any qualifications to vote. Any moron with a pulse can vote. hell the dems were canvasing housing projects to make sure everyone voted.

Now I believe in live and let live, but people who contribute nothing and have no ambition to better themselves voting is an isult to me and many working americans.

People get down on their luck. That is fine, but its one thing to make welfare and so forth a way of life for generations and to view private parts as welfare check producing factories.

Why Romeny lose?
1, The 13th-15th Amendments were in place. Without them no obama. I am not saying slavery was not wrong, but just stating a fact. without them Obama does not win.

2 Too many white people did not have enought pride in their heritage or nation. Although Obama has woken many white people up and he only got 39% of the white vote. I wonder what percentage of tax dollars break down demographically. I dare say more taxpayers did not want Obama in and more mooches did

3 Many, not all, latinos do not have loyatly to the usa and think their people should be able to break in and stay in our nation breeding like rats.

Those are the reason. They might be inconvienient and not politically correct but its the truth. ITs pretty bad when we have to pander to illegal aliens and their supporters in our own country.

It's this logic and mind set that give minorities no choice but to vote democratic.

And that parade ass clown Presidential candidate the GOP bought out didn't help either.

Patterns observed on this forum : this my not be politically correct ______<- insert bigoted sentiment

Hairtrigger, while I suspect that lukertin is an Obamunist plant send here to disrupt VGOF, I will agree with his latest post in this thread. Your post is an ugly, racist comment that must be called out as wrong on VGOF or any other forum. I hope it does not reflect your actual opinion on the topic of liberty and justice for all.

FiremanBob wrote:Hairtrigger, while I suspect that lukertin is an Obamunist plant send here to disrupt VGOF, I will agree with his latest post in this thread. Your post is an ugly, racist comment that must be called out as wrong on VGOF or any other forum. I hope it does not reflect your actual opinion on the topic of liberty and justice for all.

There is a cause and effect relationship between Obamas skin color and his massive support amongst non-whites. Is that no less racist?

And illegal immigrants are being "pandered" to, previously just by the Dems, but now by the Republicans. This will have a negative effect on the nation.

Correct, Kreutz. That is no less racist. I think there is much more anti-white racism in America today then the other way around. It still doesn't excuse hairtrigger's comment.

Wait a minute, here - - let’s get our feet set back firmly on terra firma here.

I don't support racist statements; and regardless of what some others may think, I don't make them.

They serve no purpose, confuse the issues, and create division and discord in a nation that desperately needs cohesion and discourse. I certainly don't think the color of your skin has anything to do with your mental capacity or moral fiber; which is what determines (or ought to), in my mind, whether you command respect or disdain in the eyes of your fellows. By the same token, the color of your skin also should not isolate you from fair comment and truthful observation.

That said, I have no compunctions about stating that I have no use, respect or sympathy for people who won't work for a living or support their families and otherwise exercise personal responsibility whether they are white, black, brown, yellow, red, or green with a purple ring around their asses. If that makes me a racist in your eyes, then so be it; because if you think that way I don't CARE what you think.

And YES, you're damned right I think there is an excellent argument for disenfranchising large groups of people in this country. At the time of the founding of this republic, the right to vote was pretty much restricted to FREEHOLDERS. That meant people who owned land. People who had nothing therefore couldn't vote to take what wasn't theirs. You were therefore obliged to WORK for what you wanted. While I certainly acknowledge we can't and shouldn't return to that state of affairs, I do think that if we don't do SOMETHING to keep the free riders from looting from the producers in this institutionalized larceny that our government seems to have become, the country is doomed. Simply put, if you contribute nothing, I believe you should not be allowed to play a part in allocating the resources.

And while I'm perched way up here on this damned soapbox, I'll observe that property is not the only requirement that should be imposed upon the franchise. I think one of the biggest mistakes we ever made was letting 18-year-olds vote. Truth is, most of them are just too damned immature, media-addicted and poorly informed to responsibly participate in running our country. So I also think you ought to be required to demonstrate that you aren't an ignorant child (or for that matter, an ignorant adult) to be allowed to vote.

My Grandmaw Daisy used to say that "the truth would stand when the world was on fire". That was her way of saying the truth is the truth whether you think it's pretty and whether you want it to be true or not. It’s time for some people to wake up and kiss that reality right on the mouth.

If this horrifies you, you are very probably either naive or one of the children or freeloaders. So don't you DARE tell me it's wrong for me to speak the inconvenient truth.

dormin, it wasn't your statement that I called racist. I enjoy and learn from your posts and have not found any of them problematic.

FiremanBob wrote:dormin, it wasn't your statement that I called racist. I enjoy and learn from your posts and have not found any of them problematic.

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I wasn't directing my comments at you, FmB. I was responding mostly to lukertin. I should have indicated that.

No worries, mate. I've already posted what I think about lukertin.

FiremanBob wrote:Hairtrigger, while I suspect that lukertin is an Obamunist plant send here to disrupt VGOF, I will agree with his latest post in this thread. Your post is an ugly, racist comment that must be called out as wrong on VGOF or any other forum. I hope it does not reflect your actual opinion on the topic of liberty and justice for all.

I 100% believe in equal rights for all and special rights for none. I fail to see how pointing out inconvienient truths as racist. That is like people getting ticked when illegal immigration in places like CA is discussed and you find that 50% of WIC recipients are latino. Now not all are illegal but considering CA how many probably are either illegal or their parents were?

I do believe their should be qualifications for voting like a very basic civics test. If someone has no clue of how their candidate stands on an issue they should not be voting. I knwo this opinion will not be popular, but I don not think a baby mama with 3 kids all born while she in on the public dough ( norplant should have been required after the first), living in public housing, on food stamps with no ambition should be voting. It represents a conflict of intrest. Now someone legitimatley disabled or retired who has worked is totally different.

If losers who contribute nothing to society could not vote Obama would not have won.

as far as the question about America being better when it was more White. First off I am mixed. I will say that as an historian it does seem that the less white the country gets the worse it gets. Now that might not be as much because of race as it is of political correctness and the false god of multi-culturalism are more to blame. The reality is that none of us can claim that a woman would stand less chance of being mugged in the 1950s or 60s than today. The rate of single baby mamas was not anywhere near today and there were morals. I don't recall all the violence in the cities there are today and if you look at the demographics of most of the worst cities you will see they have people in them that look more like Obama than George Washington.

Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan ( D-NY) once said "We are all entitled to our own opinions but not our own facts".


Oh and yes many latinos do serve admirably in our military. I do think though when someone comes home and sees nothing wrong with people breaking into our nation and bleeding us dry with social welfare programs their anchor babies get being wrong I would question that person's patriotism. I would say they are more loyal to their race and craphole country their people come from than the usa. Further most illegals have no desire to be american other than the goodies they get.

Obama's deportation numbers are a joke as those programs were started by bush and he has done everything he could to not deport people including his illegal executive action to keep so called dreamers ( moochers) in the country. I think that action and suing arizona and alabama both undo any claim of him being hard on illegals.

FiremanBob wrote:Correct, Kreutz. That is no less racist. I think there is much more anti-white racism in America today then the other way around. It still doesn't excuse hairtrigger's comment.

I would love to know what I said not at least as a reasonable thesis? SOrry if it offends but part of the mess the usa is in is we cant have a serious discussion on race. Read Suicide of a super power by Pat Buchanan. It spells it out. People cry racism, but it makes much sense. White guilt helped Obama get elected the first time. STupidity helped the second time.

We all three agree about anti-white racism and the double standard. What is wrong is when people refuse to discuss it. The left just keeps winning that way.

hairtriggerglock17 wrote:Because we lost the ability to require any qualifications to vote. Any moron with a pulse can vote. hell the dems were canvasing housing projects to make sure everyone voted.

Now I believe in live and let live, but people who contribute nothing and have no ambition to better themselves voting is an isult to me and many working americans.

People get down on their luck. That is fine, but its one thing to make welfare and so forth a way of life for generations and to view private parts as welfare check producing factories.

Why Romeny lose?
1, The 13th-15th Amendments were in place. Without them no obama. I am not saying slavery was not wrong, but just stating a fact. without them Obama does not win.

2 Too many white people did not have enought pride in their heritage or nation. Although Obama has woken many white people up and he only got 39% of the white vote. I wonder what percentage of tax dollars break down demographically. I dare say more taxpayers did not want Obama in and more mooches did

3 Many, not all, latinos do not have loyatly to the usa and think their people should be able to break in and stay in our nation breeding like rats.

Those are the reason. They might be inconvienient and not politically correct but its the truth. ITs pretty bad when we have to pander to illegal aliens and their supporters in our own country.

Kreutz wrote: There is a cause and effect relationship between Obamas skin color and his massive support amongst non-whites. Is that no less racist?

And illegal immigrants are being "pandered" to, previously just by the Dems, but now by the Republicans. This will have a negative effect on the nation.

Wow....

These two posts exemplify why your candidate lost.

And why america lost.

FiremanBob wrote:Hairtrigger, while I suspect that lukertin is an Obamunist plant send here to disrupt VGOF

I joined this forum because I'm interested in exercising my 2nd Amendment rights.

I'd appreciate it if you didn't call me names.

dorminWS wrote:And YES, you're damned right I think there is an excellent argument for disenfranchising large groups of people in this country. At the time of the founding of this republic, the right to vote was pretty much restricted to FREEHOLDERS. That meant people who owned land. People who had nothing therefore couldn't vote to take what wasn't theirs. You were therefore obliged to WORK for what you wanted. While I certainly acknowledge we can't and shouldn't return to that state of affairs, I do think that if we don't do SOMETHING to keep the free riders from looting from the producers in this institutionalized larceny that our government seems to have become, the country is doomed. Simply put, if you contribute nothing, I believe you should not be allowed to play a part in allocating the resources.

Out of curiosity, whom do you consider as "contributing nothing"? Stay-at home moms? Seniors? The sole breadwinner of a family of five who just got laid off from the auto plant and therefore no longer "contributes" anything?