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Maybe this'll help 'em. Looks like they could use it!

Seccession must be done by the states themselves. Petitions on whitehouse.gov wont cut it.

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Not a bad idea. I'm surprised to see New Jersey on that list.

Doubt that anything comes of it, though.

@ CowboyT:

Are you trying to persuade people to se your perspective/come over to your way of thinking, or just to be a troll and piss off conservatives?

Guess which way your "butthurt" posts are working.

I can understand the desire, but at this time I don't think it isi likely to work just yet. There is a chance that in 4-10 years when Greece like conditions arrive here in the US that it would have some legitimacy.


And cowboy T, if your intent is to gloat, there are other places even within this forum to do that. Here you are just being an irritant.

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It is not to "gloat"; I'm no happier with the current President's policies than the rest of you are. Rather, it's to point out how silly this notion of secession is. Folks, we've been there before, and it is just doggone silly. Yes, this "we're seceding from the Union" talk is laughable. It is butthurt because "their" candidate didn't win, and it's no more productive than these same people calling Obama "the Kenyan" and his wife "Chewbiatcha" and similar crap.

Instead of going off about "secession", perhaps they ought to channel their frustration toward a more productive endeavour like, for example, getting actual Constitutionalists on the ticket next time. An example would be Ken Cuccinelli. On an interpersonal level, having met him before, I think he's a jerk, but he has followed and applied Virginia law pretty strictly, so I can at least respect--at times even support--him in office. But Gov. Romney? Rep. Ryan? Come on! They aren't Constitutionalists and never have been. That's why the Republicans lost, and they need to do better. An actual Constitutionalist team would've steamrolled Obama/Biden, and we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

There are midterm Federal elections coming up in 2014, and VA Delegate elections coming up next year in 2013. If you're upset about how this 2012 election turned out, then get behind Constitutionalist candidates. Seriously, promote them. Work on behalf of their campaigns. Floyd Baine and those like him would be good choices, because Rep. Cantor is not a Constitutionalist (hence VCDL's continued protests). For those in Arlington and Fairfax Counties, Reps. Moran and Connolly NEED TO GO. They clearly are not Constitutionalists.

You're mad/upset/whatever? Feeling the butthurt? GOOD! Channel that whatever-it-is that you're feeling--anger, frustration, whatever--into backing Constitutionalist candidates. Get into your Party's workings and make sure that this happens. When your Primaries come, GET THERE AND VOTE THIS TIME. There were maybe 120 voters at my polling place at this year's Republican Primary, out of over 2,000 Republican voters.

That's worth repeating: there were maybe 120 voters at my polling place at this year's Republican Primary, out of over 2,000 Republican voters.

That's got to change. We as voters have GOT to do better than such sorry citizen participation. No time? This is our country; we need to make the time. That's what the Founding Fathers did and would have us do.

Cowboy, I think all that time that you have spent in Frisco has gotten you way too amused with the notion of hurtin' hind-quarters, and what that implies.

And, as I pointed out in another post, making reference to "The First Wookie" makes my other half giggle, so that actually IS productive. If my girl is gigglin', that means she's happy, and that means that I'M happy.

Secession? I support it, for any reason, whether I agree with the reasoning, or not. If I do agree with the reasoning, maybe I'll join them.

Other than that, though, I pretty much agree with the above post.

Cowboy T.....I don't like the picture you posted because it is crass. I am tired of hearing about posteriors. I am tired of seeing posts about it. I get enough of that in life in general. It screams immature teenage boy without any sense of decorum. Is it too much to ask people to be polite. And yes it was "gloat ful".

There is gun forum that I used to frequent. I don't any more because the people there are so rude and ad hominen attacks are the order of the day in a disagreement. When I requested that they be polite they only stepped up the insults and very little was done to curb it. I would hope that would not be the case here.

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Seceding would be prohibitvely expensive. Uncle Sam would want his cut for the roads and numerous military bases etc.

This is just theater.

CowboyT wrote: Rather, it's to point out how silly this notion of secession is. Folks, we've been there before, and it is just doggone silly. Yes, this "we're seceding from the Union" talk is laughable.

Seriously. The subject is in no way "silly" or "laughable". It's about as serious and somber a topic that I can think of. The states formed this union in order to meet certain needs. As such, certain powers were delegated by the states. The original power lies with them.

If the federal government abuses those powers and usurps additional ones the states have a right and a duty to intercede or sever the bond. Sound familiar? That is one of the reasons for separation explicitly mentioned in the Declaration of Independence.

Secession is never "silly", "laughable", or "irrelevant". It's as serious as a heart attack and is not something that should be taken lightly.

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Whether secession is unlikely, impossible, silly, merely difficult or just expensive, I think it couldn't hurt for Obama to know there are hundreds of thousands of folks out there aggreived enough to sign a petition. It's good psychology, if nothing else.

The logistics are interesting. We've come up with a few ideas. Pulling OK, TX, AR, and LA's Gold from the FED, and putting itself on a Precious Metals backed currency would work.

Charge a "fee" to be a "Citizen", and make sure new citizens understand, You get NOTHING from the government but FREEDOM!

I'm willing to work into the dirt for LIBERTY, and FREEDOM!

Also, I came up with these years ago, but they still hold true:

1. You have the right to defend yourself by all means necessary against all conflicts.

2. You have a right to find food.

3. You have a right to find shelter.

4. You have the right to be left in peace.

5. You have a right to reproduce.

6. You have the right to an opinion, and express your emotions.

7. You have a right to have a dream.

8. You have a right to have faith w/o challenge.

9. You have the right to wander unfettered.

10. You have the right to group w/ others with like-minded ideals w/o conflict.

Kreutz wrote:Seceding would be prohibitvely expensive. Uncle Sam would want his cut for the roads and numerous military bases etc.

This is just theater.

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Hell, let'em KEEP the military bases. They have plenty of them in OTHER foreign countries. Of course, we'll have to collect a little bit of TAX on them..............

@ Reverenddel:

I like that list, but in regards to 2 and 3, you may have the right to find those things, but it would be good to clarify that you do NOT have the right to have them given to you.

As I am nomadic by nature, I'm quite fond of number 9 on your list. One of my peeves is the difficulty of being a nomad; things are geared for those who stay put.

Sounds good, but not on my land. That's where I do those things. Move along, move along...

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If this country follows the path of USSR (and it looks like it does), it won't be a secession, it will be a dissolution.

Finding food, and shelter are human rights, being GIVEN them? Uh...No.

YESSIR! I'd like to wander like I did in my youth! I never moved, but I moved around. I always came home to Central Va...because no matter how good other places seemed to be, they were never "home".

Which is why I've been so angry as of late.

All these folks who moved to MY commonwealth, and stabbed me in the back by being "takers". (sigh)

Pathetic.

kelu wrote:If this country follows the path of USSR (and it looks like it does), it won't be a secession, it will be a dissolution.

Balkanization is the most likely outcome, this is correct.

mamabearCali wrote:Cowboy T.....I don't like the picture you posted because it is crass. I am tired of hearing about posteriors. I am tired of seeing posts about it. I get enough of that in life in general. It screams immature teenage boy without any sense of decorum. Is it too much to ask people to be polite.

And I am tired of seeing the hardly-veiled anti-nonwhite hatred that gets repeatedly spewed on this board. No, it's not too much to ask people to be polite, including when discussing the President of the United States (sorry, mamabearCali, but the N-word and "the Kenyan Muslim" is hardly "polite").

Or the scorn-filled reference to a so-called, "Obamaphone", when Obama had nothing to do with it (Mindflayer already set that straight; it was the Telecom Act of 1996, strongly supported by then-Speaker Gingrich).

Or the ever-so-Christian sentiments in this entire thread:

http://vagunforum.net/politics/conserva ... 44-20.html

Did you call them on it? Maybe you did, but I don't recall seeing it.

mamabearCali wrote: And yes it was "gloat ful".

OK, since you insist that I'm somehow "gloating", then do tell me: about what, specifically, do you believe I am supposedly "gloating"?

mamabearCali wrote: There is gun forum that I used to frequent. I don't any more because the people there are so rude and ad hominen attacks are the order of the day in a disagreement. When I requested that they be polite they only stepped up the insults and very little was done to curb it. I would hope that would not be the case here.

I used to make that request repeatedly on this board, including to more than one moderator. I was basically told to go to hell and shut up. So I actually agree with you; I'd like to see waaaaay more politeness on this board, but apparently the hatred of a non-white Presidential family by the Confederacy-worshipers around here is just too strong. And that's a shame. I look forward to seeing you take them to task the way you have tried to do to me here.