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I've got a buddy that just acquired a Glock. Lives in Richmond. Asked me about some "instruction", which tends to confirm my suspicion that he's pretty much a greenhorn with firearms (or at least handguns) in spite of the fact that he's older than me. I suggested he consider taking a course. Glocks scare me some and I've been handling pistols for nigh onto 50 years. I'm willing to help out my buddy, but don't really want the responsibility of having him feel "instructed" because we had a 15 or 20 minute bull session.

Does anyone know of a useful course available in the Richmond area that won't tax the time and patience of a busy man of adsanced middle age?

Check out http://proactiveshooters.com/

or PM "ProShooter"

Contact ProShooter here on the board, he's the instructor in Richmond I've heard a lot about here.

http://proactiveshooters.com/

Thanks. I didn't know where he was located.

Pro shooter does a great course....I. Would highly recommend it.

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Not to hijack the thread as it looks like you have your answer, but I was wondering why Glocks scare you. I'm a new handgun owner and look to add Glocks into my collection so I was just wondering.

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ShotgunBlast wrote:Not to hijack the thread as it looks like you have your answer, but I was wondering why Glocks scare you. I'm a new handgun owner and look to add Glocks into my collection so I was just wondering.

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For many folks who have shot other weapons, Glocks lack one thing, an external safety. They, in theory, can not go off without the trigger being pulled. In essence if your finger or anything else pulls the trigger, the pistol will fire. It lacks a separate safety or a grip safety that requires the shooter to have a firm grasp of the pistol like the Springfield XDs or a 1911. Glock refers to it's pistols as "Safe Action". This Youtube is a perfect example of where tha fear is founded: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkDcKokWjBk

Yeah, I've seen that video. I've also heard of "Glock foot" too, but in all of those situations the shooters have their finger on the trigger. I like external safeties too, but treat them as if they don't work, keep my gun pointed in a safe direction, keep my gun in a holster that covers the trigger, and keep my finger off the trigger until I'm ready to shoot.

I figured it was the safe action that people didn't like, but didn't know if it was something else that I wasn't aware of.

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ShotgunBlast wrote:
I like external safeties too, but treat them as if they don't work...

+1

grumpyMSG wrote:

ShotgunBlast wrote:Not to hijack the thread as it looks like you have your answer, but I was wondering why Glocks scare you. I'm a new handgun owner and look to add Glocks into my collection so I was just wondering.

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For many folks who have shot other weapons, Glocks lack one thing, an external safety. They, in theory, can not go off without the trigger being pulled. In essence if your finger or anything else pulls the trigger, the pistol will fire. It lacks a separate safety or a grip safety that requires the shooter to have a firm grasp of the pistol like the Springfield XDs or a 1911. Glock refers to it's pistols as "Safe Action". This Youtube is a perfect example of where tha fear is founded: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkDcKokWjBk

The glock is not an unsafe gun. There are unsafe gun handlers. After inserting the loaded magazine into the pistol and racking the slide to chamber a round,the glock is in a half cocked condition. Hence the name double action only,or safe action.It will not fire without the trigger being pulled. It is a double action mechanism. You have to pull the trigger to finish cocking the gun (one action) and then it releases the internal striker making it fire (second action).If you watch " I just ----ing shot myself on you tube,you can clearly see the guys finger go to the trigger. Its not the glock,its the people who don't understand how it functions,and unsafe gun handlers.It gets back to the basics,know your gun,know how it funtions. Be totally familure with it be you use it. Read the owners manual,ask glock people,dry fire. Then go shoot it.

zerodown1 wrote:If you watch " I just ----ing shot myself on you tube,you can clearly see the guys finger go to the trigger. Its not the glock,its the people who don't understand how it functions,and unsafe gun handlers.It gets back to the basics,know your gun,know how it funtions. Be totally familure with it be you use it. Read the owners manual,ask glock people,dry fire. Then go shoot it.

In that video he was shooting a Kimber 1911 variant with the safety engaged. He explains that the holster has a thumb retention along with an index finger lock. He was shooting his Glock all day and changed to his Kimber and had the accident. When he holstered the 1911, the thumb retention disengaged the safety lever. Then when he used his index finger to press inward to unlock the 1911 from the holster, it rode inward with the pressure given and touched off on the trigger. He didn't blame the holster or the gun, but there was a series of events that happened to him.

I've always felt uneasy carrying a 1911 "cocked and locked" over my Glock, even though there's the backstrap safety. Not sure why, it's just a mental thing I guess.

A Glock is like a revolver, you pull the trigger, it goes "bang!"

I would be happy to assist with the training needs. I'm a Glock fan and armorer so I can help with any questions that he may have.

Please have him check our website and contact me.

ProShooter wrote:I would be happy to assist with the training needs. I'm a Glock fan and armorer so I can help with any questions that he may have.

Please have him check our website and contact me.

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Did so yesterday.

grumpyMSG wrote:

ShotgunBlast wrote:Not to hijack the thread as it looks like you have your answer, but I was wondering why Glocks scare you. I'm a new handgun owner and look to add Glocks into my collection so I was just wondering.

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For many folks who have shot other weapons, Glocks lack one thing, an external safety. They, in theory, can not go off without the trigger being pulled. In essence if your finger or anything else pulls the trigger, the pistol will fire. It lacks a separate safety or a grip safety that requires the shooter to have a firm grasp of the pistol like the Springfield XDs or a 1911. Glock refers to it's pistols as "Safe Action". This Youtube is a perfect example of where tha fear is founded: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkDcKokWjBk

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That's pretty much it. I treat all guns as if they were loaded, cocked and locked and without safeties. But I USE the safeties that are on them, and I'm just not comfortable with a pistol with no external safety. I own 3 Glocks: 2 G22s and 1 G21. But they are strictly range guns as far as I'm concerned. Where gun safety is concerned, I'm a belt-and-suspenders kind of guy; and with a Glock I just feel like I don't even have my britches on. Not being judgemental about Glocks OR people who carry them. It's just a matter of personal idiosyncrasy.

Having a manual safety can present its own gun handling problems, especially for those who don't always carry and frequently train with a pistol so equipped. Failing to engage the safety before holstering a pistol with a cocked hammer and failing to take the safety off following a draw are two errors I see a lot at IDPA matches. The added stress of the clock and competition often bring out these errors, and folks who have them are often surprised as they did not occur when they were practicing on their own.

Regardless of the type handgun you use, you need to follow the two critical safety rules of proper gun handling: 1) Keep the gun pointed in a safe direction and 2) Keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.

My Smith and Wesson M&P .40 like the glocks have no external safety and it doesn't bother me because the trigger can't be pulled unintentially. It takes considerable enough pressure to pull the trigger not "oops" kind of trigger pull. I keep it loaded 14 +1 unless cleaning and always treat it as loaded. I also use only blackhawk serpa cqc holster that by design allows a full grip bfore drawing and with your trigger finger vertical right where it is supposed to be.


Are glock triggers more sensitive or much less pressure to pull than m & p?

BHG1978 wrote:
Are glock triggers more sensitive or much less pressure to pull than m & p?

Not out of the box. The standard Glock trigger pull is 5 and a half pounds. Of course, either a Glock or M&P can have a modified trigger. My M&P that I use as a competition only pistol has a modified trigger with a pull of about 3.5 pounds - any lighter and I find I don't shoot it as well quickly. Many believe any trigger pull lighter than 4.5 pounds is too light for a carry gun.

Chasbo00 wrote:Having a manual safety can present its own gun handling problems, especially for those who don't always carry and frequently train with a pistol so equipped. Failing to engage the safety before holstering a pistol with a cocked hammer and failing to take the safety off following a draw are two errors I see a lot at IDPA matches. The added stress of the clock and competition often bring out these errors, and folks who have them are often surprised as they did not occur when they were practicing on their own.

Regardless of the type handgun you use, you need to follow the two critical safety rules of proper gun handling: 1) Keep the gun pointed in a safe direction and 2) Keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.

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Amen, Bro.