Virginia Gun Owners Forum - VGOF

Less than a month ago, Constitution Party presidential nominee Virgil Goode was soaking up the best publicity that a third- party candidate could ask for and his polling led some to question whether he could pull votes from Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney in Virginia.

Now, the party-switching ex-lawmaker is facing a petition fraud investigation that could jeopardize his chances of appearing on Virginia ballots at all, let alone spoiling a Romney presidency.

The Virginia Board of Elections unanimously voted Monday to investigate suspected fraud on petition forms submitted by Goode's campaign, according to a statement from the bipartisan committee.

Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli is pursuing a criminal investigation into the Constitution Party's "efforts to gain ballot access for its presidential candidate for the November election," his spokeswoman confirmed Tuesday.

"We knew before we started this effort that given Virginia's status as a swing state we would face efforts to keep us off the ballot," Turner said in the statement. "We have been very careful to avoid giving a toehold to those who would restrict ballot access to the establishment politicians who have caused all the problems our country faces."

In an email Monday, Larry Sabato, director of the University of Virginia Center for Politics, said "no one believes" that Goode could net 9 percent in the hypothetical race, as a Public Policy Polling survey suggested last month. But Goode could still rob Romney of crucial votes in what is shaping up to be a razor-thin race, Sabato wrote.

"Still, a large majority of Goode's votes would come out of Romney's column, and the GOP will do what they can to minimize him — or take him off the ballot entirely," Sabato said, estimating that up to 70 percent of Goode's support could be comprised of Romney defections.

VBshooter wrote:The last damn thing we or any other state needs right now is a 3rd party candidate,,If the situation were not as dire I would support having one... But Obunko and his crew MUST go lest we sink into obscurity once and for all...Romney / Ryan may not be perfect but compared to the alternative they're golden//We as citizens can longer sit on our hands and let the other guy do the work...Thats what gave us the current flushable debris in the White House

ShotgunBlast wrote:I'm glad your support for choices is conditional, but it seems like there's a reason for every election cycle to be so crucial that we can't get a 3rd party candidate pulling votes away. "We'll add them next cycle." Rinse and repeat. hhhmmm... I wonder why.

Kreutz wrote:

ShotgunBlast wrote:I'm glad your support for choices is conditional, but it seems like there's a reason for every election cycle to be so crucial that we can't get a 3rd party candidate pulling votes away. "We'll add them next cycle." Rinse and repeat. hhhmmm... I wonder why.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-fulfilling_prophecy

A self-fulfilling prophecy is a prediction that directly or indirectly causes itself to become true, by the very terms of the prophecy itself, due to positive feedback between belief and behavior.

I liken this Presidential race to a ship traveling down a river, headed toward a huge waterfall. Most of the passengers are arguing amongst themselves over who’s the best skipper to navigate them over the falls. One skipper claims the other will do it too quickly. The other claims his opponent will only slow the process to the rate of the former skippers who commanded the vessel. Meanwhile, the course remains unchanged.

Recently, while I was working in the flower beds in the front yard, my neighbors stopped to chat as they returned home from walking their dog. During our friendly conversation, I asked their little girl what she wanted to be when she grows up. She said she wanted to be President some day. Both of her parents, liberal Democrats, were standing there, so I asked her, "If you were President what would be the first thing you would do?" She replied... "I'd give food and houses to all the homeless people." Her parents beamed with pride! "Wow...what a worthy goal!" I said. "But you don't have to wait until you're President to do that!" I told her. "What do you mean?" she replied. So I told her, "You can come over to my house and mow the lawn, pull weeds, and trim my hedge, and I'll pay you $50. Then you can go over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out and give him the $50 to use toward food and a new house." She thought that over for a few seconds, then she looked me straight in the eye and asked, "Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50?" I said, "Welcome to the Republican Party." Her parents aren't speaking to me anymore

kelu wrote:From another forum:

Recently, while I was working in the flower beds in the front yard, my neighbors stopped to chat as they returned home from walking their dog. During our friendly conversation, I asked their little girl what she wanted to be when she grows up. She said she wanted to be President some day. Both of her parents, liberal Democrats, were standing there, so I asked her, "If you were President what would be the first thing you would do?" She replied... "I'd give food and houses to all the homeless people." Her parents beamed with pride! "Wow...what a worthy goal!" I said. "But you don't have to wait until you're President to do that!" I told her. "What do you mean?" she replied. So I told her, "You can come over to my house and mow the lawn, pull weeds, and trim my hedge, and I'll pay you $50. Then you can go over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out and give him the $50 to use toward food and a new house." She thought that over for a few seconds, then she looked me straight in the eye and asked, "Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50?" I said, "Welcome to the Republican Party." Her parents aren't speaking to me anymore

Kreutz wrote:

I liken this Presidential race to a ship traveling down a river, headed toward a huge waterfall. Most of the passengers are arguing amongst themselves over who’s the best skipper to navigate them over the falls. One skipper claims the other will do it too quickly. The other claims his opponent will only slow the process to the rate of the former skippers who commanded the vessel. Meanwhile, the course remains unchanged.

Truth.

There are a few guys in the back of the boat the majority is ignoring. Whenever one of these passengers suggest they should find somebody who will navigate the vessel to the safety of shoreline, everyone laughs and begin to berate them.

As one well known Christian theologian posted on Facebook recently, “I am more eager to see statism defeated than I am to see one statist defeated.” Obama is a statist. Romney is a statist. Neither will usher in more freedom or work to restore limited government. Neither will get my vote.