Virginia Gun Owners Forum - VGOF

Hi. As you all know I picked up a Sig Saeur p220 literally just two days ago.
Today I got out the range and was able to put a 100 rounds through it. I also did some work with my glock as well, for comparison


Here is my glock target (shot with Hornady Critical defense or Hornady Zombie .40 S and W)






here are the targets for the p220



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First impressions compared to the Glock 23 while the report was louder, the recoil was noticeably less "snappy"; probably attributable to the steel frame vs polymer.

It took a little getting used to, have to let my off thumb ride a little lower than I would on the glock else the decocker would ride into it due to recoil.

While the double action pull did require a concious effort, it wasn't unbearable, the transition to single action does mess with me a little bit.

In single action though it was a treat; very little trigger pull, very smooth action, while my aim might not be great (hey I've only really been shooting 4 months since I got the glock in August :p)
as you can tell by the parts literally chewed out of the targets, even I could get decent groupings : )

It has out of the box factory sights, that I am going to have swapped out for Sig Lite night sights; I will see how that impacts it (when i put the night sights on the glock if anything i found them better than the original white dot)-but based on my limited skill, the rumors of the out of box sig accuracy are true-the problems here were me , not the gun (also i was in a wall lane, never helps). All these shots were done at 10 yards.


Once i learned to keep my off thumb a tad lower, the gun was a pleasure to shoot though the smaller capacity mag kept suprising me how fast it emptied (8 rounds max, and to be honest a lot of times i was only getting 7 rounds in-i might have been spoiled by the glock coming with a mag loader lol).

I am liking the gun a lot, though haven't quite settled into the grips as they are a bit different than the glock (which has finger grooves) but that might just be the fact all i really know so far is the glock, as opposed to a flaw. I will have a better idea after a few more uses, when i've had a chance to really get comfortable with it.

oh for ammo with the sig i used ,45 cal PMC Bronze

also the zombie ammo from Hornady -didn't notice anything particularly special about it

I picked up a 220 not too long ago and love it. When at the range and taking your time you really notice the double action to single action difference in the trigger. I started doing a local practical pistol comp on the weekends. When under pressure (at least for me right now) there is no difference.

Did you notice a change in the point of aim when going from the glock to the sig? I've noticed they aim very differently. I love the DA to SA just because that is what I've always had. It's muscle memory training though to get used to it.

Cant really recall. I shoot both of them equally well just prefer the DA/SA.

bryanrheem wrote:Did you notice a change in the point of aim when going from the glock to the sig? I've noticed they aim very differently. I love the DA to SA just because that is what I've always had. It's muscle memory training though to get used to it.

well, I am finding the sig has a lot better out of the box accuracy, its sight picture seems a bit better, more true than my glock and my glock was pretty good compared to all the rentals i had tried (or the revolver i had).

I am finding with the sig, rather than rest on top of my target, i want the front sight to be just a bit above even compared to the glock , where the front site should of rested on top of my point of aim.

I went again today, and in my second magazine, 6 of the 8 shots landed just left of the bullseyes to make one big hole at 10 yards...even when i get a nice grouping on a glock its rarely like that. Part of it is defintely the steel frame cushioning some of the recoil making it easier for me to recover the sight picture, but also the out of the box sights seem truer

also with the short release trigger, i am loving single action, i am finding i just need to be patient with my first trigger pull in double action, and as long as i do that it's fine. But i can't stress how sweet it is when it slips into single action.

Your 220 has the short reset trigger (SRT)?
I need to send my 220 to Sig to get serviced and new night sights. While its there I will have them install the SRT.

CrackerKorean wrote:Your 220 has the short reset trigger (SRT)?
I need to send my 220 to Sig to get serviced and new night sights. While its there I will have them install the SRT.

It does : )

I am loving it : )

I would love to try the trigger out before I send my 220 off. Its great without the SRT so I can only imagine.

CrackerKorean wrote:I would love to try the trigger out before I send my 220 off. Its great without the SRT so I can only imagine.

do you ever shoot at Silver Eagle?

some more pics of my targets today

40 rds at ten yds, then 40 at 9 and then 40 at 8


I think the 9 yd was my best batch with a lot of good groupings


8 was the worst

also i seem to pull left, anyone have any ideas on that?


10 yds :


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9 yds:


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and finally 8 yds:



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I am down in the tidewater area so No VA is a bit of a ways.

I need to get mine out to the range some more, I have only put about 100 rounds through it since I got it.

CrackerKorean wrote:I am down in the tidewater area so No VA is a bit of a ways.

I need to get mine out to the range some more, I have only put about 100 rounds through it since I got it.

ah thats a bummer : (


defintely try to get out and shoot it some more


I can not stress how awesome this gun is; for a beginning shooter, it is sighting really well : )

Riposite wrote:
also i seem to pull left, anyone have any ideas on that?

From your description of the sight picture, I am guessing that you are actually shooting low and left but have compensated for the low by aiming high. Try dry firing a few times and see if there is any movement of the firearm.

WRW wrote:

Riposite wrote:
also i seem to pull left, anyone have any ideas on that?

From your description of the sight picture, I am guessing that you are actually shooting low and left but have compensated for the low by aiming high. Try dry firing a few times and see if there is any movement of the firearm.

I will try that and keep an eye out for it, also i think i mispoke/put a comma in the wrong place, it is with the glock i have to put my sight picture above the point of aim, with the sig I lay it right on it, if i put it above like with my glock i shoot high : )


there are some low shots on my targets I know but those are more me overcompensating with my right hand, and pulling on it rather than letting it be relaxed and relying on the left

WRW wrote:

Riposite wrote:
also i seem to pull left, anyone have any ideas on that?

From your description of the sight picture, I am guessing that you are actually shooting low and left but have compensated for the low by aiming high. Try dry firing a few times and see if there is any movement of the firearm.

what is killing me is you can see from the 9 yard target, i tried 3 points of aim, the dead center, the 9 directly above, and then the 8 directly above
, and on that one i had tight groupings all pretty close if not on my point of aim

ever seen this? also, keep in mind that sigs are set up from the factory for poa = poi, in other words, combat sighting. shoot the front sight dot.

mk4 wrote:ever seen this?

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also, keep in mind that sigs are set up from the factory for poa = poi, in other words, combat sighting. shoot the front sight dot.

no, I've never seen that-thanks it looks pretty helpful

OK, I misunderstood. Given that, I would try a few rounds making sure that the front site is centered and then move on to technique. BTW, the Glock should be hitting to point of aim as well.