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Hope it wasn't a VGF member!

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A family friend says the couple has four children under the age of 12, including an infant.

Senseless, tragic and sad beyond words.

Capt Scott has it right get a holster! There is absolutely NO excuse for carrying a gun without a holster that covers the trigger. Even if you don't carry +1 you still need a holster.

What a terrible accident. I hope he had good life insurance. I am shocked though that he died, I would not think that shot placement would kill so quick.

Interestingly I got into a mild discussion at the last gun show I was at because I was looking for a OWB (for after baby is born) to carry with around the house and the vendor had some beautiful leather holsters (hey I may carry, but I am still a girl and like pretty things!), but none of them covered the trigger. This particular vendor did not think much of me for wanting that and basically told me that was a silly thing to want. Perhaps he should read this story.

The femoral artery in the inner thigh area will cause someone to bleed out very, very quickly. So, pure speculation here, but if he shot himself in the leg and it happened to sever that artery...then he only had a few minutes to control the bleeding before he succumbed to the wound.

I have to agree that you should NEVER carry a firearm without a proper holster that completely covers the trigger. A loose firearm in a pocket or in a waistband is a recipe for disaster.

My condolences and prayers to this man's family. Life will never be the same for them.

allingeneral wrote:The femoral artery in the inner thigh area will cause someone to bleed out very, very quickly.

I also came to this same conclusion yesterday morning. If he even nicked it, his time was limited and his fate sealed.

This is a medical question so forgive my ignorance if I sound like an idiot. Is there anyway to control bleeding in that situation where someone has a massive injury to the leg and is bleeding severly. A tourniquet, a pressure bandage (anything).

There might be, but the window of opportunity is very small.

Still even a 10% chance of stopping the bleeding is better than 0. The injured person could easily lose the leg if you do a tourniquet but if you don't they could lose their life. Now to contemplate who a person in a car could have that would make a good tourniquet and would buy precious minutes.

Terribly sad for everyone involved. What a nightmare.

mamabearCali wrote:Now to contemplate who a person in a car could have that would make a good tourniquet and would buy precious minutes.

Paracord. Bungee cords. A shirt sleeve.

It makes a good argument for keeping a bug-out bag in your vehicle.

Pure speculation, but the wound may have been high enough on the femoral artery that a tourniquet would not have been viable. Those who use an appendix carry should pay special attention to this tragic event.

Chasbo00 wrote:Pure speculation, but the wound may have been high enough on the femoral artery that a tourniquet would not have been viable. Those who use an appendix carry should pay special attention to this tragic event.

If it was into the pelvis area, then the ability to treat it in a car would be slim.

Unless the car was moving at the time, I could open up the door and drag my husband onto the ground and treat him there if I had to. Even having my husband weigh 50 lbs more than me. But if the wound was high up you are right a tourniquet won't work there. Perhaps massive amounts of pressure directly on the wound. This is one of those red tag events. Where saftey considerations are written in blood.

mamabearCali wrote:Unless the car was moving at the time, I could open up the door and drag my husband onto the ground and treat him there if I had to. Even having my husband weigh 50 lbs more than me. But if the wound was high up you are right a tourniquet won't work there. Perhaps massive amounts of pressure directly on the wound. This is one of those red tag events. Where saftey considerations are written in blood.

Quickclot and pressure bandage. Better than nothing.

wylde007 wrote:

mamabearCali wrote:Now to contemplate who a person in a car could have that would make a good tourniquet and would buy precious minutes.

Paracord. Bungee cords. A shirt sleeve.

It makes a good argument for keeping a bug-out bag in your vehicle.

More like a trauma kit.

+1 on the Quickclot and the pressure bandage!!!!

I was recently on blood thinners and began carrying large Quickclot trauma kits in each car and in my range bag after I had an internal bleeding situation due to a torn thigh muscle (lost 2 units into a thigh muscle before I even noticed!). I also had the opportunity to have Quickclot used on me during a recent hospital stay, when they ran a catheter into me through my Femoral artery. Fairly routine procedure, but the wake-up call for me was how they removed that catheter... they were definitely on high alert for the first half hour or so, and they applied constant heavy pressure IN SHIFTS (three nurses total for 15 minutes each) to prevent bleeding out.

I've started carrying quickclot in the range bag, loose granular plus the type that comes in a syringe-like applicator for penetrating injuries. That paired with a IFK with add-ons like chest seals, NP airway + 10 years of ems training should give me a bit more of an chance of helping in the event of a GSW.

So we all carry all kinds of junk in our ranges bags... how about adding some first aid supplies?

Even if you can't make use of all of it, you never know who is standing next to you that having a few more supplies might make the difference.

40 caliber glock....thats two of these I've heard about now with glocks.

A cop once told me "glocks dont need manual safeties".

I dont mean to take away from the tragedy....
but
"It has also not been determined whether the man was a licensed gun owner, ...."

What is a "licensed gun owner'"

Kreutz wrote:40 caliber glock....thats two of these I've heard about now with glocks.

A cop once told me "glocks dont need manual safeties".

They don't hey just need holsters. Try to resist the liberal urge to blame the inanimate object.