Virginia Gun Owners Forum - VGOF

Anyone seen or had experience with this "safe bullet"?

http://www.ccwsupply.biz/SafetyBulletPAGE.htm

Thanks!

I have mentioned this to a few of my classes....been out a while now. The designer says that he has numerous documented "saves" due to this product. If it saves one life, its good enough for me.

So it doesn't damage the firearm & it will prevent firing a second round? I read about it but the directions weren't clear. It jams the recoil of the barrel until the mag is dropped and it is "worked, wiggled out" by hand? Thanks!

So it doesn't damage the firearm & it will prevent firing a second round? I read about it but the directions weren't clear. It jams the recoil of the barrel until the mag is dropped and it is "worked, wiggled out" by hand? Thanks!

ProShooter wrote:I have mentioned this to a few of my classes....been out a while now. The designer says that he has numerous documented "saves" due to this product. If it saves one life, its good enough for me.

Maybe.. but if I am gonna use it I am gonna need to do a lot of changeup to my routine.

I mean I wake up in the middle of the night because of a possible intruder, right now the first thing going through my head is "grab gun while listening to where the threat is". Now would need to add "eject safety bullet" to that...

I suppose could be very worth it but I could also screw up (who me. no way never lol)

Hmm, looks like it adds a step to the Israeli draw. I'd want to drill it a bunch before I counted on being able to do it under pressure, and then would be worried about having something built into muscle memory that does not apply when the firearm is properly loaded.

I surmise from the description that this round doesn't cycle the action and thus doesn't cause a double feed when it locks up the action. I'd be a little nervous about clearing a firearm with a locked action as you can't confirm it's clear until you beat the Safety Bullet out of it, but if it works as claimed I guess there couldn't be anything else in the pipe. Sure would feel stupid, however, if I drew a pistol in a confrontation, and then rendered it inoperable when I pulled the trigger.

Well that's one thing I'm unclear about. When children are around, I keep a pistol without one in the chamber, mag stored elsewhere, so to shoot it I have to work the slide. If I were to put this in, would it eject, with the mag inserted, (as long as it is unfired) just like an unfired round?

You load your mag normally, with 2 safety bullets at the top. You chamber one SB, and SB#2 is at the top of the mag.

If you need to use your gun, you rack the slide twice, ejecting both SB's and chambering a live round. If someone like a kid pulls the trigger, the live primer in SB#1 fires the plug which locks up the action of the gun. If the kid racks the slide once, he ejects SB#1 but chambers SB#2.

Once "fired", you use a wooden dowel down the barrel to push the plug back into the casing and eject. Send the used SB back to the company and they'll insert a new primer for a small fee.

Thanks!

I think it's silly. Your better off teaching your kids to handle firearms properly and teaching them to obey you. The little double racking seems like one more thing to screw up.

Who said they are my children? I have visiting children in and out of my house. Who said they are old enough to teach gun safety? Any teaching is repetition, repetition, repetition, then there is impulse control. I don't trust their impulse control.

Adults are not perfect so why expect children to be perfect? Children are impulsive, & I know a LOT of impulsive adults that regret their impulsive acts, gun purchases, truck purchases, etc.

I err on the side of caution with children. It only takes one mistake. . .

So it's a tradeoff. You accept the risk that you'll panic in a crisis, forget to rack two shells through the gun first, and render your gun useless except as a very poor pair of brass “knucks” when you do need to fire on an intruder. In exchange, you have a fair degree of certainty that a kid or some idiot won't discharge your firearm accidentally or on purpose. I guess there's an argument to be made for that, but I'm not so sure how strong it is.

I used to keep a Grendl P-10 (.380), and after that a Keltec P-32 (.32) in the console of my car. Both had a so-called "inertialess hammers" but no safety, so I was afraid to carry them loaded in my pocket. (I know a local cop who had a key in his pocket get into the trigger guard of a Keltec he used as a pocket gun as he tried to draw the gun and the end result was that he shot himself in the thigh) To guard against an accidental discharge while rummaging in my console, I just kept an empty piece of brass in the chamber. It meant I had to rack a live round in before firing the gun, but at least I didn't have to worry about shooting myself. That method would also mean you wouldn’t have to worry about whether you’d be able to convince somebody to take a 15-minute break from trying to gut you so he could rob you while you drove a safety bullet out of your barrel. Seems to me there's a very good argument that you'd be better off locking the gun up. It would also save you $23.50 plus tax and shipping; although money (especially not such a piddling little amount of money) is not and should not be a consideration in matters of gun safety.

Thank goo'nes I've now got a Sig P238 with an actual safety for a pocket gun when I feel the need.

Jakeiscrazy wrote:I think it's silly. Your better off teaching your kids to handle firearms properly and teaching them to obey you.

Teach proper firearms handling to this 3 year old girl. - http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/toddle ... d=10056190

Oh wait, you can't. She's dead.

Not trying to start an argument here, but a 3 year old can pull a trigger, and can't remember not to crap in their pants, let alone not to touch a gun. While not perfect, I think that anything like the safety bullet that aids in gun safety is worth looking at.

ETA - this is what the little girl thought she was picking up -

Somehow I suspect that the folks who keep a loaded pistol in the nightstand or under the sofa cushion are not going to use this device, while those with a rudimentary understanding of gun safety don't need it. Don't like the fact that this device treats safety as a mechanical issue rather than a mindset issue. And yes, I am a father, with three kids, all of whom are shooters, and all of whom know how to carry, handle, and store a firearm safely.

ProShooter wrote:

Jakeiscrazy wrote:I think it's silly. Your better off teaching your kids to handle firearms properly and teaching them to obey you.

Teach proper firearms handling to this 3 year old girl. - http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/toddle ... d=10056190

Oh wait, you can't. She's dead.

Not trying to start an argument here, but a 3 year old can pull a trigger, and can't remember not to crap in their pants, let alone not to touch a gun. While not perfect, I think that anything like the safety bullet that aids in gun safety is worth looking at.

ETA - this is what the little girl thought she was picking up -

Obviously there is a level of understanding that has to be achieved just like with anything. You put socket covers on outlets when kids are young to prevent them from shocking themselves, cabinet locks on doors with dangerous chemicals, ect. Same goes for guns. This device provides nothing that leaving an empty chamber doesn't or a high self doesn't or basic supervision of your child doesn't.

hatchetman wrote:Somehow I suspect that the folks who keep a loaded pistol in the nightstand or under the sofa cushion are not going to use this device, while those with a rudimentary understanding of gun safety don't need it. Don't like the fact that this device treats safety as a mechanical issue rather than a mindset issue. And yes, I am a father, with three kids, all of whom are shooters, and all of whom know how to carry, handle, and store a firearm safely.

I agree with your statements.
I was wondering if someone might use this device instead of a trigger lock or such, in addition to having the manual safety. I'm thinking that that racking the slide twice isn't as slow or awkward as a trigger lock, but it seems like a good idea when children are in & out of my house.
You say "rudimentary understanding of gun safety". IMHO, that is part of the problem. There are too many people (adults & children) that think they know gun safety. I was acquainted with someone that insisted he knew how to handle guns, but he was waving the empty around saying "what does it matter, it's empty. I wouldn't do this if it were loaded." I call that rudimentary, not full knowledge. Of course, before actual shooting there was a full lesson on safety.

ProShooter wrote:

Jakeiscrazy wrote:I think it's silly. Your better off teaching your kids to handle firearms properly and teaching them to obey you.

Teach proper firearms handling to this 3 year old girl. - http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/toddle ... d=10056190

Oh wait, you can't. She's dead.

Not trying to start an argument here, but a 3 year old can pull a trigger, and can't remember not to crap in their pants, let alone not to touch a gun. While not perfect, I think that anything like the safety bullet that aids in gun safety is worth looking at.

ETA - this is what the little girl thought she was picking up -

Pretty inflammatory statement for not wanting to start an argument. After ejecting the safety rounds to "investigate the noise", you think that the father that would lay the pistol down in childs reach would return the safety rounds or even lock the pistol? Somehow, I just doubt it.

Hell, let's argue; I'll start:

http://www.whythesafetybulletsucks.com/

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Obviously there is a level of understanding that has to be achieved just like with anything. You put socket covers on outlets when kids are young to prevent them from shocking themselves, cabinet locks on doors with dangerous chemicals, ect. Same goes for guns. This device provides nothing that leaving an empty chamber doesn't or a high self doesn't or basic supervision of your child doesn't.[/quote]

There was nothing that my children couldn't get into. Multiple children @ multiple ages, whew! One could climb like a monkey. Talk about locking cabinets!!! Constant supervision is impossible, I had to go sometimes. Oh, I needed sleep too!

I'm viewing this as another tool in helping to prevent tragedy, like covering outlets (they don't get shocked, they get dead). If it is a tool that someone will use, not rely on it, but use it, & it prevents one tragedy, then it is worth considering.

justsumstuff wrote:

Obviously there is a level of understanding that has to be achieved just like with anything. You put socket covers on outlets when kids are young to prevent them from shocking themselves, cabinet locks on doors with dangerous chemicals, ect. Same goes for guns. This device provides nothing that leaving an empty chamber doesn't or a high self doesn't or basic supervision of your child doesn't.[/quote]

There was nothing that my children couldn't get into. Multiple children @ multiple ages, whew! One could climb like a monkey. Talk about locking cabinets!!! Constant supervision is impossible, I had to go sometimes. Oh, I needed sleep too!

I'm viewing this as another tool in helping to prevent tragedy, like covering outlets (they don't get shocked, they get dead). If it is a tool that someone will use, not rely on it, but use it, & it prevents one tragedy, then it is worth considering.[/quote]
Let me simplify this. If your child is strong enough to rack the slide the safety bullet won't stop him. If he isn't then a safety bullet isn't needed.