Virginia Gun Owners Forum - VGOF

thekinetic wrote:I have two questions. One is how did he obtain the guns with his criminal background? And secondly since he was a contractor in a government facility, he would have needed a security clearence. So my question is how to get one with A: his criminal background which will flag you when getting your clearence and B: wasn't he discharged from the military less than honorably which will also flag you for your clearence? So who let him through?

Questions questions everywhere, this smells of rotten fish!

He was Honorably Discharged from Navy Reserves although he had several discipline problems while in

Kreutz wrote:

FiremanBob wrote:Nah, that's like saying that a single school "resource officer" is sufficient to deter shooters in that environment, which has never been the NRA's position. The correct answer is "good guys with guns all over the place". It's a freaking military base. Surely there are plenty of people there with training in firearms safety and effective usage.

Fun fact: military bases are gun free zones.

See also Fort Hood shooting.

Since B.J. (William Jefferson) Clinton's EXECUTIVE ORDER of 1996.

Wow, these progressives save a lot of lives!

Kreutz wrote: Fun fact: military bases are gun free zones.

But the wonderful powerpoint training we receive teaches us how to deal with an active shooter in a gun-free zone. We are told that if there is an active shooter, we should 1) run; 2) hide; 3) fight back. Since I work in a gun-free zone, and since I obey the rules, I guess they expect me to fight back with my keyboard, or maybe throw a stapler at him. Sort of ironic, because among my colleagues we have probably one of the highest rates of gun ownership and use you'll find anywhere.

Where I work we have three layers of armed guards: outer civilian gate guards, civilian guards for my compound, and MPs. I *sure* hope that the guns they carry are fully loaded.

DaRoller wrote: Well, they forgot the comma there. Apparently it is now being reported (here's an example) that he purchased an AR-15, a shotgun, and a handgun, from a gunshop in Lorton (Sharpshooters?).

There was a camera crew outside Sharpshooters this afternoon when I went there. One of the employees said that they had been there all day.

The news reports are starting to consistently say that he used a shotgun to start the attack. The initial reports of an AR appear to be wrong, but that lie will be repeated over and over and over and over and over again.

TheGodfather wrote:Is it now socially acceptable for gangs of whites to roam streets and beat up anyone they wish while yelling this is for the Navy?

Sounds like the end of a typical Arm/Navy FB game. LOL

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/18/us/st ... .html?_r=0

WASHINGTON — The gunman who killed 12 people at the Washington Navy Yard on Monday test fired an AR-15 assault rifle at a Virginia gun store last week but was stopped from buying one because state law there prohibits the sale of such weapons to out-of-state buyers, according to two senior law enforcement officials.

Instead, the gunman, Aaron Alexis of Texas, bought a law-enforcement-style shotgun – an 870 Remington pump – and used it on Monday as he rampaged through the Navy facility, said the officials, who requested anonymity because of the continuing investigation.

An 870 is a law enforcement style shotgun?

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GeneFrenkle wrote:An 870 is a law enforcement style shotgun?

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They're mad that they can't use the phrase AR-15 Assault Weapon all over their articles, so they made up some new scary weapons.

GeneFrenkle wrote:An 870 is a law enforcement style shotgun?

Because it's black, it's more powerful than those nice wood shotguns used for hunting.

As we can see, the media amongst others are all over this to tout their message.

Diane Feinstein, here we go again, disarm Mr.. and Mrs. America because she knows what is best for us.

POTUS is wasting no time either.

Isn't it amazing how the government seems to somehow posses the knowledge as to what is best for us that the rest of us do not.

Just keep sending us all your money and we will handle everything. Big brother knows best. Just ask us.

I for one, am very tired of someone else telling me what to believe, think, eat as for what is best for me.
Gee, how did I make it this far in life without their help ????

Washington needs an Enema!

imho

Aaron Alexis passed Federal Bureau Investigation and Virginia state background checks to purchase a shotgun from Sharpshooters Small Arms Range in Lorton, Va., over the weekend.
Alexis did not attempt to purchase a rifle or handgun from the store, The Washington Times has learned exclusively.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... -checks-b/

Quick question...

How did a Texas Resident been able to purchase a firearm in Virginia and walk out with it? I thought if you are an out of state buyer that the firearm must be shipped to an FFL in that state. am I wrong.

2k05gt wrote:Quick question...

How did a Texas Resident been able to purchase a firearm in Virginia and walk out with it? I thought if you are an out of state buyer that the firearm must be shipped to an FFL in that state. am I wrong.

This is true for handguns, but not long guns when purchased from an FFL. However, some state laws other than VA's may keep a VA FFL dealer from transferring a rifle or shotgun to an out-of-state buyer - that call is up to the FFL.

FiremanBob wrote:This is the post I took issue with. It sounds like you find fault with the NRA's statement.

Not at all.

If not, perhaps you should explain what you mean.

The NRAs statements post-Sandy Hook were quite good (IMO) actually; they went on the offensive with a very realistic position; gun free zones are dangerous.

My point was now that this happened in a presumably well armed location, the NRA will be attacked on their stance as "proof" they were "wrong "and possibly forced into a defensive mode now.

I don't have cable so I have no idea what the "talking heads" are saying, but I'm sure none of it bodes well for gun owners and I'm sure they involve renewed calls for "sensible gun control".

2k05gt wrote:Quick question...

How did a Texas Resident been able to purchase a firearm in Virginia and walk out with it? I thought if you are an out of state buyer that the firearm must be shipped to an FFL in that state. am I wrong.

In GA, you just need to have valid photo ID regardless if where that ID originated. The problem is that he should have been flagged in the system. Haven't bought a scattergun in decades but I didn't even get a check done on me.

There are potential clues: In August, he told police in Newport, Rhode Island, that he was hearing voices and was convinced that someone was using a "microwave machine" to send vibrations into his body to keep him awake, according to an incident report.

He'd sought help from Veterans Affairs hospitals around the capital, law enforcement sources told CNN. One said he was hearing voices and having problems sleeping.

So, once again, our mental health system failed us. This ties EVERY mass shooting recently directly to a failure of the mental health system in the USA. WHY WHY WHY is Congress and the POTUS ignoring this? If Obamacare is such a raging success, why is this still happening? WHY.

Kreutz wrote: The NRAs statements post-Sandy Hook were quite good (IMO) actually; they went on the offensive with a very realistic position; gun free zones are dangerous.

My point was now that this happened in a presumably well armed location, the NRA will be attacked on their stance as "proof" they were "wrong "and possibly forced into a defensive mode now.

I don't have cable so I have no idea what the "talking heads" are saying, but I'm sure none of it bodes well for gun owners and I'm sure they involve renewed calls for "sensible gun control".

This is the problem with the media blasting garbage all over the place. Military bases are gun free zones, not well armed.

There were two guys who were both killed who were in police/security detail uniforms. They were not together and only armed with pistols.

The reason why I conceal carry is for this very reason. Those two officers were targeted and killed before they had a chance to respond. If a bad guy is going to do something stupid, even with someone armed present, they are smart enough to know that their chances of success increase if they take out the only other guy with a gun first.

The NRA stance and recommendation is still valid. Especially since good guys with guns brought and end to this quickly.

darkstar3d wrote: In GA, you just need to have valid photo ID regardless if where that ID originated. The problem is that he should have been flagged in the system. Haven't bought a scattergun in decades but I didn't even get a check done on me.

He wasn't flagged because there was no conviction. The new gun purchase and background check system didn't fail; military officials and law enforcement officials who kept letting dangerous and criminal behavior go and/or ignoring red flags led to this tragedy.

Current laws need to be enforced. It's that simple.

I am not sure how to address mental health issues without violating some basic civil liberties. There should be something done on that front too.

MarcSpaz wrote:This is the problem with the media blasting garbage all over the place. Military bases are gun free zones, not well armed.

I know that.

But does the average low information voter?

Watch and see how this will be used to discredit Operation School Shield.

If even a military base isn't safe (brimming with soldiers in full battle rattle to the low information types), egads how could a school ever be? Safer just to ban all guns.

The prior incident (police report to Navy) should have triggered suspension of his clearance and access and he should have been escorted out of the facility and credentials removed until an investigation was complete.

The officer at the Navy has blood on his hands if he didn't forward it to security.