Mosque approved to be built 2 blocks from Ground Zero

[Pocono]

THis is another reason why I say it's time to say the words and take the action to stop this trend of the US spiraling out of existence

I am not so sure there are any words to stop it. The millions of illegals that have invaded the country once given citizenship thru an executive order will likely vote liberal since it was the liberals that secured them their rights. Likewise the muslims here both extremists and otherwise will support the liberal agenda to advance their own purpose of taking over the country.

[zephyp]

THis is another reason why I say it's time to say the words and take the action to stop this trend of the US spiraling out of existence

I am not so sure there are any words to stop it. The millions of illegals that have invaded the country once given citizenship thru an executive order will likely vote liberal since it was the liberals that secured them their rights. Likewise the muslims here both extremists and otherwise will support the liberal agenda to advance their own purpose of taking over the country.

The funny thing is that liberals will be the first to get their heads cut off under a muslim rule...

[OakRidgeStars]

Never forget:

[9MMDerringer]

I would like to add just a few points to this discussion. First, this comes from a purely factual and studied view, and I am more nuetral than most, because I am basically agnostic in my beliefs. I believe in a God/ Creator, but I often reject forms of organized religions which all claim to be correct and claim the others are false. They cannot all be correct, but there is a chance that they are all wrong. So with that established, let me say that Islam is not only a religion, but as someone else pointed out, it is also the law in most Arabic nations. They call their system of justice Islamic law. Right in the Quran there are versus that speak to "slaying non-believers". One example is Quran 4:91-94. How about the laws that refuse rights to females in Arab countries? Those are the countries where Islam is religion and Islam is law! Why are there so many Islamic Terrorists in the world? I believe its primarily because their Quran provides so much language that can be used for a basis to justify these types of actions. Far more than others like Christianity, Judaism, or Buddhism. Islamic terrorism is inspired by the sources of Islam: the Qur'an verses, ahadith sira and sharia that justify or encourage attacks on non-Muslims or those who may not be regarded as pious. A huge debate is going on recently about how Americans are being non-tolerent and insensitive to the Islamic people. That is pretty funny, because the Islamic people want to wipe the Jews off the face of this planet, and every time a Christian is caught with a bible in many of the Islamic countries, they are jailed, beaten, and many times murdered by the Islamic people! Someone else made a comment about the pot calling the kettle black, that is very fitting here with the Islamic people demanding sensitivity and tolerence! The building of the Mosque in that location is suspect because as I learned from various sources, the Muslims have many times in the past, built places of worship in the location of an area they conquered or won. Is that the case here? Who knows, because our president, nancy pelosi, and the mayor of New York do not wish to investigate this issue at all. Noone wants to ask questions, ask where the money is coming from, or who is the backbone of this mosque? How about if we discovered that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad from Iran was giving money for it? Would that change anyone's mind about allowing it to be built? From what I have read and studied, Muslims are at war with non-muslims, the Jews, and most of the Western World.

[VBwoodie]

THis is another reason why I say it's time to say the words and take the action to stop this trend of the US spiraling out of existence

just curious, what are "the words"?

[VBshooter]

Radical islamists. Religous zealots, friggin nutjobs or whatever other name will fit .No more PC cat footing around about how there are good and bad and all that other BS the left spews. Happens way too often ,,some little group or another gets their feelings hurt and the rest of us are supposed to kneel at their altar of shame for saying or doing something they deem insensitive.

[KaosDad]

From a FaceBook posting:

The Mosque to Commerce

Just a snippet as it seems some publishers take offense at having their entire article lifted:

We all know the basic reasons why Osama Bin Laden chose to attack the World Trade Center, out of all the buildings in New York. Its towers were the two tallest in the city, synonymous with its skyline. They were richly stocked with potential victims. And as the complex's name declared, it was designed to be a center of American and global commerce. But Bin Laden may have had another, more personal motivation. The World Trade Center's architect, Minoru Yamasaki, was a favorite designer of the Binladin family's patrons—the Saudi royal family—and a leading practitioner of an architectural style that merged modernism with Islamic influences.

[VBshooter]

And speaking of PC ,,,In regards to the censoring my last post above , the word cat footing being changed to "cat" footing seems a bit over the top to me,, Ther term has always been cat footing around and to the best of my knowledge its never been challenged by offended cats,..

From Miriam Websters Dictionary
"Main Entry: cat·foot
Pronunciation: \ˈpu̇-sē-ˌfu̇t\
Function: intransitive verb
Date: 1903
1 : to tread or move warily or stealthily
2 : to refrain from committing oneself

— cat·foot·er noun

[VBshooter]

It is apparent that the mods are having a myway or the highway moment by censoring an expression that is common in our language, I know it won;t bother anyone if I choose to not particapate here any longer so I will take my leave,

[gunderwood]

And speaking of PC ,,,In regards to the censoring my last post above , the word cat footing being changed to "cat" footing seems a bit over the top to me,, Ther term has always been cat footing around and to the best of my knowledge its never been challenged by offended cats,..

Where was that? Was it changed back?

[zephyp]

It is apparent that the mods are having a myway or the highway moment by censoring an expression that is common in our language, I know it won;t bother anyone if I choose to not particapate here any longer so I will take my leave,

?? I dont see anything that was censored manually or automatically....Spence can you please elaborate?

[VBshooter]

Myself and Zephyp finally got it figured out,,,The term that was in question was "pu$$y footing" in the post of the 20th. Only using S's instead of dollar signs. The first part of that term had been changed to "CAT" when I was looking at a reply the following day. I then posted another post on the 21st with the Miriam Webster definition of the term Pu$$y Footing", Yesterday I logged in and saw "CAT" in that post..Thinking that I had been censored I was PO'd to the point of leaving the site for good. Thankfully moderator Zephyp PM"d me and in our communications I calmed down and explained what I thought was the problem,, Now here's where it got figured out.. In one of my PM replies I typed the words Pu$$y Footing, only using S's instead of $ signs..When it came up for review the words had been changed to "CAT" Footing...I then did a test post and sure enough it changed again,,, Unknowingly I had run afoul of an autocensor in the software that will change certain words when detected,,, I am offering a sincere apology to the mods for casting the suspicion of censorship on them. and I will stick around cause I really do like the place.

[KaosDad]

I'm zorrrrry, Mizzzter Zhooter, but ve mussst inzzzpekt your paaaperzzzzz. Ze Cenzor-botssss are ztilll zuzpishusss.

[zephyp]

eh eh eh...he said cat...[I sure wish I knew how to spell that "eh eh" noise he makes]

[gunderwood]

VBshooter, don't worry...all of my posts are auto-censored.

[TheGodfather]

[VBshooter]

Hell all our posts get the treatment but at least we know the damn thing is there, Just for kicks try typing in some "slang" terms and see the translated versions,,,, You will get poop to ****** depending on the severity of the "slang" What will tick ya off is to write a word that the software thinks is obscene that's really not but it censors it anyway ,,, Thank God for being creative and using symbols to represent letters,,,,,,

[GS78]

The trick is to not care what anyone else thinks of your opinion.

[zephyp]

Well, many are quite happy with the State Department's decision to sponsor the Imam on a world tour to promote Islam. People need to know the truth and your tax dollars are being put to such good use. Please view this short clip of Muslim call to prayer in Manhattan. Speakers are pointed to the street to make sure all true believers hear the call. The pilgrims stop at the curb to wash their hands and nostrils before entering the mosque. One can only imagine what this scene will look like recreated only 2 blocks from where 3000 infidels were executed.

[OakRidgeStars]

What's could be better than a muslim victory mosque built near the site of the worst act of terror on American soil?. How about a muslim victory mosque built with your tax dollars?. Grab your duct tape before reading this one, guys.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE67Q5BW20100827

Ground Zero Muslim center may get public financing

NEW YORK (Reuters) - The Muslim center planned near the site of the World Trade Center attack could qualify for tax-free financing, a spokesman for City Comptroller John Liu said on Friday, and Liu is willing to consider approving the public subsidy.

The Democratic comptroller's spokesman, Scott Sieber, said Liu supported the project. The center has sparked an intense debate over U.S. religious freedoms and the sanctity of the Trade Center site, where nearly 3,000 perished in the September 11, 2001 attack.

"If it turns out to be financially feasible and if they can demonstrate an ability to pay off the bonds and comply with the laws concerning tax-exempt financing, we'd certainly consider it," Sieber told Reuters.

Spokesmen for Mayor Michael Bloomberg, Governor David Paterson and the Islamic center and were not immediately available.

The proposed center, two blocks from the Trade Center site in lower Manhattan, has caused a split between people who lost relatives and friends in the attack, as well as conservative politicians, and those who support the project. Among those who support it are the mayor, civic and religious groups, and some families of victims.

The mosque's backers hope to raise a total of $70 million in tax-exempt debt to build the center, according to the New York Times. Tax laws allow such funding for religiously affiliated non-profits if they can prove the facility will benefit the general public and their religious activities are funded separately.

The bonds could be issued through a local development corporation created for this purpose, experts said.

The Islamic center would have to repay the bonds, which likely would be less expensive than taxable debt.

New York City's Industrial Development Authority could not issue debt for the center because the state civic facilities law, which governed this type of financing for non-profits, was allowed to expire about two years ago.