Virginia Gun Owners Forum - VGOF

SHMIV wrote:So, if a woman can murder her unborn child because the child would be inconvenient for her, can a man murder his wife he finds her to be an inconvenience? Or, perhaps we can murder inconvenient business partners, or competitors. Surely, if murder for convenience is OK, I can start running cars off the road when their drivers put them in my way.

Maybe you disagree, but you wouldn't want to interfere with the rights of the inconvenienced, would you?

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NovaHunter wrote:

ratherfish wrote:Read "The Liberty Amendments" by Mark Levin.

No chance of a run away process.

"Men in Black"
"Liberty and Tyranny"
"Ameritopia"
help understand what and why we got here..

Of course I understand that most of our society can't or wouldn't have the focus to actually read a book.

Yes, I'm actually I'm actually pretty familiar with his supposed reasons on why a Run Away process won't happen. However, neither Mark Levin nor any other advocate has answered these issues. A Convention (or 50 state Conventions) would not just be filled with Liberty loving activists. It would be filled with a cross section of the populace. Do we really think that a cross section of the populace is going to agree to Liberty Amendments?

And again, Roberts Rules, which are the rules that are adopted by pretty much all public assemblies from Congress to Town Halls, states that an assembly CAN amend the Agenda for any meeting with a 2/3's vote. So, despite Levin's assurances, any convention Agenda can be amended all it would take is a Motion to add X item to the Agenda and 2/3's agreed that it should just be DISCUSSED. I have yet to see any Convention of the States supporter actually deal with this issue and point to a section in Roberts Rules which states otherwise.

Remek wrote:curbing the power of the branches to their proper levels, and stopping a completely overintrusive government.

Kreutz wrote:

Remek wrote:curbing the power of the branches to their proper levels, and stopping a completely overintrusive government.

The people that make up the government (and thus already have all the power) would voluntarily curb their own power....why?

Taggure wrote:They wont because thay have too much invested in keeping it the way it is right now.

Just my .02 worth

ratherfish wrote:STATE legislatures!!!


Danm right the feds will never kill their own gravytrain!


Someone's missing the point. Read the 2nd method of amending the constitution in the 5th Amendment.

Or if you feel up to the challenge of an ENTIRE book;
"The Liberty Amendments" by Mark Levin

OR continue chasing your tails and expect that to get you somewhere different.......

Or just settle back and enjoy the role of sheeple.

ratherfish wrote:
With a majority of States legislatures being red, rules of order would dictate approval of the majority for order and accountability for the products. That alone would limit the liberals, being 20% of the population as a whole and much less of State legislatures. The 2nd method of the 5th amendmant calls not for a cross section of the population but a representative of State legislators.

Are you looking for easy or a future for the republic?