Virginia Gun Owners Forum - VGOF

trailrunner wrote:
His hand was in an $18k cookie jar. Not sure why you are doubting that at this point.


He sure should have paid it back with his personal funds. I don't see why that's a noteworthy thing to do. One (or several) of the gifts he accepted was to put his family up at a lake house for a summer vacation. That sounds shady from beginning to end. Why can't he just pay for a vacations himself like the rest of us do, instead of accepting a gift from a stranger -- a stranger who happens to be a person who could benefit from KC's position. Sorry, it just doesn't pass my simple-minded ethics test, no matter how anyone tries to spin it. Just plain wrong.

Since you obviously believe the Liberals talking points, have you bothered to check on Ken's side of the story regarding the gifts?
http://www.cuccinelli.com/star-scientific/. Also, please state how Jonnie Williams has actually benefited from any relationship with Ken. The answer is zero.

The gift culture in politics has been around for pretty much eternity. Every Governor we have had in recent memory has taken tens of thousands of dollars of gifts, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars of gifts. There is actually nothing illegal in accepting gifts, it is illegal if there is a quid pro quo. If you want the laws to change on gits, then Ken is the only person right now actually calling for a change to the laws. Gov McDonnell isn't, neither is Lt. Gov Bolling, and you don't hear anything from either of our U.S. Senators or Terry McAwful about changing the current laws.

The only thing Ken did wrong was not report the gifts on time, and he rectified that quickly. Look at the magnitude of all the other gifts our previous governors have received before and during their governorships, the amount Ken has received is way lower then the majority of them and not even in the same order of magnitude as the previous 2 Governor's and our current one.

Ken is the most Liberty minded person we have had run for higher office in VA in our lifetime. Are we really going to sink him, to our detriment as Virginia Citizens, based on some trumped up liberal talking points which use the stupidity of our current Governor to smear Ken?

'Ken is the most Liberty minded person we have had run for higher office in VA in our lifetime. Are we really going to sink him, to our detriment as Virginia Citizens, based on some trumped up liberal talking points which use the stupidity of our current Governor to smear Ken?"

Drink the Micro Soft National Barack Channel kool aide if you must but make no mistake. You're being manipulated by progressives AGAIN.

Many listened before and the progressives took you down the primrose path that combined with the kool aide induced lethargy got Virginia to vote blue electing B HO.

Will we learn?

Or is it Deja Vu all over again.

You're getting nervous? You're not the only one. It makes my stomach hurt.

I'm just super thankful for an overwhelmingly pro-gun General Assembly (and the NRA being headquartered in Virginia, doesn't hurt!).

It might not be the best situation, but I'll take four years of gridlock.

1. Unless SI and trailrunner can show a direct link between gifts or contributions to KC any any improper behavior by KC, I call their tinfoil hat accusations a steaming pile of irrelevant BS.

2. As to a "moral obligation" to vote one's conscience, that's a more complex question than it might seem. An obligation is something that someone owes to someone else - so this is an obligation to whom? There is no obligation to vote any one way - that's why it's called freedom. I would say with equal weight that one has a moral obligation to vote for whomever will provide the best outcome once he takes office. Since Sarvis has no chance of taking office, voting for him only helps the Democrat machine apparatchik. Now, if you think that having McAuliffe as governor is the best outcome for you and for the Commonwealth, go ahead and vote for Sarvis.

3. Another reason I would not vote for Sarvis: He is not qualified for the high executive office of Governor. He has never run a large organization. His only political experience is a failed campaign for state Senate. He then gave a whiny speech about how anti-freedom the GOP was, and became a Libertarian. He would have done better to slug it out again and winning a seat; it would have given him experience and skills in managing government organizations that he does not have.

I know this third point firsthand from another experience: I worked to elect Don Carcieri governor of RI based on his conservative positions, his personal skills, and his business skills as CEO of a large company. He's a great guy. Carcieri turned out to be a terrible Governor as he was completely outmaneuvered by the Democrats in the political arena, and so was unable to get public support for his plans. Politics is a different sport from business, and the skills are not directly transferable.

Sarvis also would have done better to follow the examples of Rand Paul and Ted Cruz, and have the guts to join in efforts to change the GOP rather than running away. I like his positions, but I believe he is unqualified.

FiremanBob wrote:I know this third point firsthand from another experience: I worked to elect Don Carcieri governor of RI

You're from Rhode Islaaaaahnd?

Thats one of the worst staaates in the caaaahntry.

Yes, it is. That's why I left.

Kreutz wrote:

FiremanBob wrote:I know this third point firsthand from another experience: I worked to elect Don Carcieri governor of RI

You're from Rhode Islaaaaahnd?

Thats one of the worst staaates in the caaaahntry.

No way, the People's Republic of Massachusetts is hands down the worst. I grew up there and don't miss it at all.

I'm sorry, but I'm just astounded that anyone who is serious about preserving our self-defense and 2nd Amendment rights in Virginia would consider, for even one nanosecond, voting for anyone in the current VA governor's race except Ken Cuccinelli.

I'm voting for Ken. Not because I want to, but because I have to to preserve gun rights for another round.

That being said, with all the TMac support in the highly populated areas, I just see no way Ken can win this.

I'm sure it will look just like the obama map did. Nova/cville/Richmond will be blue and that's what counts.

It will take a lot for me to believe we can recover what we have lost at this point and if TMac wins I won't be surprised. I've really lost faith in VA voters.



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Turnout is expected to be under 40% statewide. Most of the Dem base is not excited about McAwful and many, many, will not bother to vote.

We can win, if every one of us THAT MEANS YOU! talks to our conservative/independent friends and neighbors, and our shooting friends and neighbors, and gets them out to vote.

This is a pivotal election for our Commonwealth. We cannot afford to have a Democrat machine operative in Richmond, working together with the Obamunist extremists in the DC regime.

Aye. The election is just under 40 days away. That's a long time in politics. The race is still very much open.

I just wish either Cuccinelli or the NRA or someone else would run a ton of TV ads calling McAuliffe out on guns. It wouldn't even be close if this happened.

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Man; really wish I could have been picked up as Ken's campaign manager..... even have the perfect slogan: "Real" Men love the Cucc..... After all; he is pro gun, opposes homosexuality, and also opposes abortion issues.... Almost the same ideologies that most "real" men I know; lmao

I dunno Joe, Kinetic is Gay, love Cucc, and owns a plethora of firearms...

Which gets into the debate of "Genetic", or "Choice". Most of the friends I have that ARE gay? Like ALL the same things I do, and are rough, and rugged (even the Lesbians...mainly the lesbians)...

I think anyone who wants LOWER taxes, GUN rights, and LESS government, will vote for KEN if they REALLY want to preserve those things...

Sarvis is a nice guy, I like him, and his position, but I know Ken, and they're not that far opposed of one another.

NovaHunter wrote: The gift culture in politics has been around for pretty much eternity.

Does that make it right or ethical?

NovaHunter wrote: Every Governor we have had in recent memory has taken tens of thousands of dollars of gifts, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars of gifts.

We're talking about the Attorney General taking brib...errr...gifts. Please provide a comparison with other AGs and not Governors.

NovaHunter wrote:
The only thing Ken did wrong was not report the gifts on time, and he rectified that quickly.

Seems he missed reporting some income too. Income from what? Oh, Star Scientific stocks? O Rlly?
http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/l ... tific/291/

NovaHunter wrote:
Ken is the most Liberty minded person we have had run for higher office in VA in our lifetime.

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Interesting. Then please explain how his recent defense of the poorly written unnatural acts law or his earlier failure to address the same law when he was in the state legislature defends your liberty in the bedroom.

Sarvis is more about liberty than the AG could ever hope to be.
For people that complain about career politicians riding the gravy train at our expense, you need to think about why you're actively supporting something you're complaining about.

I wouldn't vote for that papist as dog catcher, and every one of you that votes for Cuccinelli will be voting for a religious zealot that sees no problem with imposing the tenets of that religion upon others. I thought that was the kind of thing we were fighting against since September 2001.

I'm voting for Cuccinelli. Even if everything his detractors have alleged is true, he's still far better than McAuliffe, and the other candidate can't win. I also sent him a pretty decent campaign contribution yesterday (by my standards, at least). Anyone who opposes more statist government overreaching and drastic gun control in the Commonwealth should send the Cuccinelli campaign all the money they can afford. McAuliffe is getting money by the boxcar load from out of state progressives, and is very likely to use that to buy this election. It's a statistical dead heat right now with the press in the tank for the bad guys. Time to do all we can to tip the scales our way.

OK Reverend..... got me there. As far as the stance on homosexuality, I myself have a few friends who are gay. I have no problem with it (just as long as they keep it to themselve's, if you get my drift); however the thing I do have a problem with is the whole same sex marriage debate. I was born and brought up in a very devout Christian household, so that may have something to do with it all; but I just feel as if it ruins the sanctity of marriage to see 2 men or 2 women sharing in the vows of marriage with one another. If it was truly meant to be that way; do you not think he would have created Adam and Steve instead of Adam and Eve??? Also; as far as abortion rights... I am very much opposed to them. I do understand that in some instances, the child may be unwanted(ie: the woman who is pregnant happens to be a rape victim); but why not give that child a chance at life. There are many people within our country who are "dying" to have a child and can not due to medical conditions or what not. I sure do know that I would love to have a child; but is not an option to me due to an injury when I was younger....

The progressives have hauled out the 'The mean old nasty Republicans are going to take away the ladies right to abortions and once a week visits to the hair dresser.'
We may have already lost this election with the current Governor's snafus. If not that remember the ladies of both sexes put Obama in office.


Jim

I'm going with Cooch for several reasons not least of which MacCauliffe is a political hack, manipulator and engaging with Bloomberg. Every time I see him grinning reminds me of Buckshot Biden and I get creeped out. Cooch may not be completely clean but many politicians aren't and I've had to accept that reality. TM's 2A position reinforces my decision.

If McAuliffe wins Virginia might become ground zero for gun control. You know the progressives would love to enact severe gun control right in the NRA's back yard.
I'm not sure if the VA house has enough conservatives to hold off for too long and I would imagine the anti-gun crowd would throw so much money at these local elections to turn the tide their way.
Cuccinelli is far from perfect but Sarvis doesn't stand a chance and if he takes 2-3% of the vote it could put the election in McAuliffe's hands.