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Re: So...it looks like we will attack Syria
Posted: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 21:52:56
by mamabearCali
Ugh... I am going to have to write a few letters tomorrow am. I am not going to support our president and idiot Boehner and McCain for a fools errand. Your congressmen need to hear from you.
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Re: So...it looks like we will attack Syria
Posted: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 05:44:58
by j1mmyd
Kreutz wrote:but I'm a simple man ...
Dude - did you really just say that and then use Teutonophile in a sentence? You know, we can still see your other posts. Simple like Columbo, maybe.
Re: So...it looks like we will attack Syria
Posted: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 06:58:58
by FiremanBob
Well, considering that he used "Teutonophile" to make an incorrect point, perhaps he's right.
Kreutz might have had a point if Wilson's Teutonophile ideas were closely contemporaneous with WWI - that would seem contradictory. There were nearly 30 years between Wilson's essay on The Study of Administration and the US entry into WWI. That's a lot of water under the bridge. By 1900 Wilson had evolved his German-based ideas into the fascistic cancer of American Progressivism.
Time is what keeps one damn thing after another from being every damn thing all at once.
Re: So...it looks like we will attack Syria
Posted: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 08:20:49
by kelu
Obama said this it is not Iraq or Afghanistan. He is right. It will be a lot worse.
But they need a big war to blame for the collapse. Don't be fooled. Do the right things for your children and nephews.
The congress is now openly ally with Al-Quaeda, and they want to bomb children to punish Assad for bombing children. Great.
Re: So...it looks like we will attack Syria
Posted: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 08:25:48
by Kreutz
Heres the thing:
FiremanBob wrote:Wilson was a particular admirer of Germany and the totalitarian ideology of Bismarck
The thing is, trying to extrapolate a worldview from a single essay is doomed to failure as it cannot be construed to be wholly indicative of a persons real ideas.
Wilson was adamantly anti-German in words and practice, hence my contention with your claiming him an "admirer of Germany".
“Had Charles Martel not been victorious,” Hitler told his inner crowd in August 1942, “then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism, that cult which glorifies the heroism and which opens up the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world.”
Hitler told Albert Speer that Islam is “perfectly suited to the Germanic temperament.” If the Muslims had won in Tours, the whole of Europe would have become Muslim in the 8th century and “the conquering Arabs, because of their racial inferiority, would in the long run have been unable to contend with the harsher climate and conditions of [Europe]. They could not have kept down the more vigorous natives, so that ultimately not Arabs but Islamized Germans could have stood at the head of this Mohammedan Empire.”
Should we take this to mean Hitler was going to start building mosques in Berlin?
(yes, I'm invoking Godwin's Law, but its a good example)
Again, you really can't cherry pick things like this, it doesn't stand up to more involved analysis.
Re: So...it looks like we will attack Syria
Posted: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 09:13:05
by FiremanBob
It wasn't just a single essay, it was the basis of his entire system of "Progressivism".
Let's be more specific. It wasn't German culture, or the German people, that Wilson so admired. It was in particular the ideology of Statism created by Hegel and Bismarck.
American "Progressives" continued to admire fascist regimes until well in to the 1930s, and communism even longer. In fact, they still do.
Re: So...it looks like we will attack Syria
Posted: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 10:44:10
by dorminWS
First, "Progressives" are very pragmatic people. They'll embrace whatever device will get them what they want at the time they seek it. Then, when it is convenient to their pursuit of what they want, they will abandon it. If you operate that way, who and what you may have personally admired at some point in your life is not dispositive of what you might do. For that reason as well as others, Kreutz is exactly right that "trying to extrapolate a worldview from a single essay is doomed to failure".
Second, I assume I'm not the only one wondering if we haven't finally found the weapons of mass destruction that were missing from Iraq.
Re: So...it looks like we will attack Syria
Posted: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 11:03:43
by j1mmyd
dorminWS wrote:Second, I assume I'm not the only one wondering if we haven't finally found the weapons of mass destruction that were missing from Iraq.
No shortage of discussion there.
https://www.google.com/search?q=iraqi+w ... =iraqi+wmd
This one from 2010 has a link to the original reporting and isn't clouded by the current debate:
http://pjmedia.com/blog/satellite-photo ... -to-syria/
Re: So...it looks like we will attack Syria
Posted: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 11:54:57
by dorminWS
Re: So...it looks like we will attack Syria
Posted: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 12:06:16
by FiremanBob
And Michael Yon, perhaps the most accurate and knowledgeable analyst of the situation in the Mideast, Iraq and Afghanistan:
http://www.michaelyon-online.com/syria- ... rategy.htm
President Obama backed down and, oddly, is taking refuge behind Congress, when he could have said, “I do not have sufficient support from our allies or from other Americans, and as much as it is right to do this, the UN Security Council, many of our foreign allies, and the people who elected me, have spoken. I am, ultimately, a servant to American citizens. You have spoken. I have listened. There will be no attack at this time.”
Those words would reek of authenticity. Credibility would be bolstered. They are not words of weakness. They would be words of humility, spoken by a President who properly consulted Congress, and who listened to the will of the Republic. They would be the words of a leader.
Re: So...it looks like we will attack Syria
Posted: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 12:28:44
by Taggure
Here is the best quote out what he said IMHO
Some people said that having Joe Biden as Vice President meant that President Obama had someone with many years of foreign policy experience. What they ignored was that Biden had decades of experience being wrong on foreign policy issues, time and time again.
Re: So...it looks like we will attack Syria
Posted: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 14:02:08
by j1mmyd
Even some Syrian
rebels claim that it was other rebels who are responsible for the chemical weapons usage. What a sh!tshow.
http://www.intifada-palestine.com/2013/ ... al-attack/
Re: So...it looks like we will attack Syria
Posted: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 14:05:52
by dorminWS
[quote="FiremanBob"]And Michael Yon, perhaps the most accurate and knowledgeable analyst of the situation in the Mideast, Iraq and Afghanistan:
http://www.michaelyon-online.com/syria- ... rategy.htm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Right after I opened the link here I had a MAJOR virus attack. Don't Know that it came from that website, but I'm suspiciou.
Re: So...it looks like we will attack Syria
Posted: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 14:09:55
by j1mmyd
Comes back clean.
http://urlquery.net/report.php?id=4953716
What do you mean by "MAJOR virus"? FakeAV type?
Re: So...it looks like we will attack Syria
Posted: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 14:16:23
by Swampman
And then there is the Rachel Mad-cow Blog still trying to say Iraq had no WMD even though we know he used them on the Kurds and others in Iraq, as well as on the Iranians in the Iran/Iraq War.
I loved Sowell's observation that Obama has chosen to "hide behind Congress" and "play it by ear" before he makes any tough decisions. This guy is in so far over his head it defies belief.
Re: So...it looks like we will attack Syria
Posted: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 14:27:56
by j1mmyd
He'll do whatever his Governess, Valerie Jarrett, tells him to.
Re: So...it looks like we will attack Syria
Posted: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 15:22:56
by Kreutz
FiremanBob wrote:Let's be more specific. It wasn't German culture, or the German people, that Wilson so admired. It was in particular the ideology of Statism created by Hegel and Bismarck. .
That's more like it.
Re: So...it looks like we will attack Syria
Posted: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 15:24:08
by Kreutz
This entire alleged chemical weapon incident
screams false-flag.
Re: So...it looks like we will attack Syria
Posted: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 17:59:31
by dusterdude
I sent my stay out of syria card to eric cantor today,doubt it will make a difference