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Taggure wrote:To answer this question I will Re-Post my answer in the other Thread

Re: Gun registration seems like a bad thing to me
by Taggure » Tue, 12 Feb 2013 11:46:03

Do I have any weapons here in the house?

I am sorry but the only thing that I have that resembles a weapon in the house is this Daisy Red Rider BB Gun that is lever action.

What?

Evil Semi- Automatic Rifles?

No, No, I would never own one of those nasty things now!

I can't believe you would think such a thing!

What? You show that I am supposed to have several?

Well, yes I guess at one point I did; but after Sandy Hook incident I sold them all, cause you know they are what caused that tragedy not that crazy deranged individual. It was those nasty Black Semi-Automatics fault that it happened, and that poor kid was under their influence

What?

Do I remember who I sold them to?

Well, Maybe, hold on a minute, I remember she was a nice looking young lady.

Not sure that I remember her name though,

What? Was she a Virginia Resident? Why yes she was she showed me her Drivers license and her Concealed Carry license when I sold her the guns.

Name? Bill of Sale? No sorry I don’t do a Bill of Sale and no I do not remember her name But she had pretty eyes. Blue they were if I remember right.

Thanks for stopping by good luck and I hope you find all those evil Semi- Automatic Rifles.

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Awesome.

I sold mine to the same gal.

hahahahahahaha that's awesome!

CDRGlock wrote:

Taggure wrote:To answer this question I will Re-Post my answer in the other Thread

Re: Gun registration seems like a bad thing to me
by Taggure » Tue, 12 Feb 2013 11:46:03

Do I have any weapons here in the house?

I am sorry but the only thing that I have that resembles a weapon in the house is this Daisy Red Rider BB Gun that is lever action.

What?

Evil Semi- Automatic Rifles?

No, No, I would never own one of those nasty things now!

I can't believe you would think such a thing!

What? You show that I am supposed to have several?

Well, yes I guess at one point I did; but after Sandy Hook incident I sold them all, cause you know they are what caused that tragedy not that crazy deranged individual. It was those nasty Black Semi-Automatics fault that it happened, and that poor kid was under their influence

What?

Do I remember who I sold them to?

Well, Maybe, hold on a minute, I remember she was a nice looking young lady.

Not sure that I remember her name though,

What? Was she a Virginia Resident? Why yes she was she showed me her Drivers license and her Concealed Carry license when I sold her the guns.

Name? Bill of Sale? No sorry I don’t do a Bill of Sale and no I do not remember her name But she had pretty eyes. Blue they were if I remember right.

Thanks for stopping by good luck and I hope you find all those evil Semi- Automatic Rifles.

Read more: http://vagunforum.net/general-discussio ... z2KmT0JMdE

Awesome.

I sold mine to the same gal.

wasn't she a red head too? I swear, those red heads with them blue eyes can really make you forget everything else....

Will I surrender my guns?

What guns?

The best way to hide is by blending in...BAAAAAAAAAAH. Dont mind me im just a sheep. Nevermind the claws and sharp teeth.

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Purdune wrote:Well that sounds pleasant and nice. You just being a little ole sheep chomping on your grass. Your shepherd takes you out daily and watches over you. Protects you from the wolves. His helpful sheep dogs making sure you know where to go and what to do. It's nice to be taken care of. You may even be allowed to breed and have some children. Won't that be nice.

Course that could all change when on of the shepherds dogs keeps bighting at your legs. Your sweet heart is sold to a shepherd two counties over. You've been castrated as you aren't producing as much wool as some of the other males. Next you find out your kids have been sold as yearling meat. Course you do so as your at the butchers as well. Probably to be sold as dog meat.

See there are problems with your fantasy land.

I dont know, "fantasy land"? I consider my opinion eminently realistic. As long as I can largely go about my business unmolested, thats good enough for me.

Sorry I don't have any Rambo fantasies?

This frenetic posturing over "tyranny" is mind-boggling, since that has been the state of humanity from the day Grog caved Og's skull in with a rock.

Whoever has the weapons and the will to use them makes the rules; the other 99.99% of us just go along. Thats just the way it is and it will never change.

MYOB and enjoy what you can of life.

if our forefathers believed that we would still be ruled by England today. Scotland too. (yes, I have overloaded on William Wallace and Benjamin Martin lately!)

@kreutz - you have no right over your own life and how you live it?

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DryBones wrote:if our forefathers believed that we would still be ruled by England today. Scotland too. (yes, I have overloaded on William Wallace and Benjamin Martin lately!)

Well, something like only what, 5-10% of the colonists actively resisted the British, some were loyalists, and the great majority were uninvolved and tried to go about their business as best as possible.

I'd simply have been part of that majority. Life went on for them and it didn't matter who won. Fork your taxes over to London or fork them over to DC. You pay either way.

GeneFrenkle wrote:@kreutz - you have no right over your own life and how you live it?

As I stated, as long as I am left more or less to my own devices I do not consider myself living under tyranny.

Should things go all 1984, I would outwardly comply as much as possible as risk/reward analysis per situation indicates.

But actively resist the powers that be? No, never. Best to keep your head down and wait it out. Nothing lasts forever. Dying only accomplishes dying and nothing else.

At least I'm honest about this, gun forums seem to attract alot of Rambos. I just want to be left alone as much as possible.

So you are like the majority. Don't cross your "line" and everyone will be ok.

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Gotlabs wrote:So you are like the majority. Don't cross your "line" and everyone will be ok.

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I will be OK and so will my family. Not particularly concerned what everyone else does outside my immediate sphere of existence.

Every now and then you get a bunch of guys who decide to smash the yoke of federal tyranny (out in the sticks), one is inevitably a fed, and they wind up dead or serving five life sentences.

And life goes on for everyone else (aka the majority). Sounds to me like the majority isn't such a bad place to be.

Again, you can do as you please, as can I. I don't forsee 1984 happening anytime soon, and if it does, it won't last forever.

Kreutz, I tell you my favorite quote, then leave you be.

Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -- Pericles (430 B.C.)

Kreutz wrote:

Again, you can do as you please, as can I. I don't forsee 1984 happening anytime soon, and if it does, it won't last forever.

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Without getting into who will or will not join the resistance, I'm intrigued by your assertion that 1984, given that it ever happens, won't last forever. Forever isn't a very relevant timeframe to us mortals. , So when you use that, I assume that by "forever" you mean something like "your expected lifespan". After all, if it lasts until after you're dead, that was, with respect to Kreutz, functionally equivalent to forever.

Now, what tyrant ever willingly relinquished power OR failed to cling to it as long as possible?

So your assertion that "it won't last forever" is puzzling, UNLESS:

"Not lasting forever" means "a significant change withing Kreutz's lifetime".
Which means you'd expect the tyrant to be deposed by others while you hide away somewhere out of sight. That is not an unattractive strategy, to tell the truth. Minimizes risk and maximizes wealth - - probably. Just as George S. Patton advocated winning by getting your enemy to die for his cause rather than you for yours, you are advocating (well, schemeing to if not openly advocating) getting your friends to die for the cause rather than you. I guess it's a good deal if you can get it.

However, if everybody adapted that strategy, 1984 WOULD last forever, now, wouldn't it?

@dorminWS, sounds like the philosophy of the Italian entrepreneur in Catch-22.

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WRW wrote:@dorminWS, sounds like the philosophy of the Italian entrepreneur in Catch-22.

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I ain't speaking eye-talian, I talking Kreutzspeak.

Now, as Elmer Fudd used to say, be vewwy, vewwy quiet...........

I'm trying to flush out the elusive Kreutzbunny; a rare subspecies of the March Hare............

Without getting into who will or will not join the resistance,

Theres the Rambo stuff.

I'm intrigued by your assertion that 1984, given that it ever happens, won't last forever. Forever isn't a very relevant timeframe to us mortals. , So when you use that, I assume that by "forever" you mean something like "your expected lifespan". After all, if it lasts until after you're dead, that was, with respect to Kreutz, functionally equivalent to forever.

Correct, once dead one is by nature removed from earthly concerns and matters.

Now, what tyrant ever willingly relinquished power OR failed to cling to it as long as possible?

They don't live forever either do they?

So your assertion that "it won't last forever" is puzzling, UNLESS:

"Not lasting forever" means "a significant change withing Kreutz's lifetime".
Which means you'd expect the tyrant to be deposed by others while you hide away somewhere out of sight. That is not an unattractive strategy, to tell the truth. Minimizes risk and maximizes wealth - - probably.

Er, I guess?

Just as George S. Patton advocated winning by getting your enemy to die for his cause rather than you for yours, you are advocating (well, schemeing to if not openly advocating) getting your friends to die for the cause rather than you. I guess it's a good deal if you can get it.

I think you're missing the forest for the trees. I am not "scheming" for anyone to do anything; do as you please. Though your approach is appealing in that I could father more kids with unattached and/or widowed women.

I genuinely just wish to be left alone to the maximum extent possible. Even a downright tyrannical government is tolerable if my degree of autonomy is within my comfort zone. Should it fall outside that zone, I will simply adjust my expectations (aka grin and bear it).

However, if everybody adapted that strategy, 1984 WOULD last forever, now, wouldn't it?

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No, like the American Revolution there will be minorities on either side pursuing their goals while the bulk of us go about their business. Whoever wins is whoever wins. This strategy allows for optimal lifespan and genetic reproduction AKA winning in the long run.

I once read an article postulating people (particularly in the West) are becoming more docile is all the young brave soldier types died off in myriad wars while noncombatants reproduced.

Plus this may be ethnic in nature, you Anglo/Scots-Irish types are all in for that ideological stuff, myself, descended from a hodge podge of people really don't consider any one particular ideology worth fighting, much less dying over.

All stuff to think about if it suits you. Or not, as you prefer.

Kreutz wrote: All stuff to think about if it suits you. Or not, as you prefer.

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I get it. Maybe it IS at least partially ethnic. "Your people", having been persecuted and subjugated for centuries, are accustomed to the yoke and will accept it relatively gracefully. Does that pretty well capture it?

dorminWS wrote:I get it. Maybe it IS at least partially ethnic. "Your people", having been persecuted and subjugated for centuries,

Not sure how to take this, I assume "your people" means jews. I'm only partially kosher and really don't much care about it nor identify with it (beyond an innate inability to pay retail, knowing a smattering of hebrew/yiddish, an aversion to manual labor, a trimmed schmekel, and sympathizing with Smaug in The Hobbit).

I was referring more to my overall (and increasingly typical in America) multi-ethnic background. Theres more German, Slav, and Italian in there than joo anyway.

However, while we're on the subject of jews and gun forfeiture...

http://blogs.forward.com/forward-thinki ... mies-list/
The Gun Lobby's Jewish Enemies List
By Nathan Guttman

The Gun Lobby's Jewish Enemies List

The National Rifle Association compiled a list of its enemies and it reads like a Jewish who’s who list. The list, prepared by the NRA’s Institute for Legislative Action includes 506 individuals, organizations, media outlets and corporations that “have lent monetary, grassroots or some other type of direct support to anti-gun organizations.”
The groups listed by the NRA as enemies of the gun-rights cause could easily populate a Conference of Presidents meeting room.

They include major Jewish national organizations, including the Anti Defamation League, American Jewish Committee, B’nai B’rith, and the Jewish Labor Committee; two major Jewish women organizations: Hadassah and National Council of Jewish Women; and the Central Conference of American Rabbis, which is the Reform movement’s rabbinical arm.

Reform Jews, the list suggests, are among the NRA’s worst adversaries. The list includes not only their national rabbinical group but also names specifically the Union for Reform Judaism’s former president Eric Yoffie and David Saperstein, director of the group’s Religious Action Center, as individuals fighting for gun control laws.
The NRA anti-gun advocates list is divided into several categories, each of which enjoys significant Jewish presence.

are accustomed to the yoke and will accept it relatively gracefully. Does that pretty well capture it?

"My people" being so rabidly anti-gun and making up 33% of the Supreme Court, 12% of the Senate, 9% of the House and owning every major media and finance company, while only being something like 1.8% of the population suggests the yoke will be on the other neck going forward.

I among others of this forum, I'm sure, served in this great country's military to defend freedom and democracy. My freedom is to own a weapon to defend myself as well as my family. Without my gun/weapon, I am nothing (not true). I really don't want to be anywhere against the law, so I am simply moving to another state or going to live in a southern state where I know I can defend myself and family without punishment. I would love to answer NO, but if the fed's are gonna bust down my door to search and seize, I will not fire at will.

But what are the chances of this actually happening in VA?

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