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I think banjo music and a few plastic human bones scattered about would be more than sufficient....ZeSpectre wrote:All this talk of confrontation.
Video cameras are dirt cheap and have amazing zoom lenses these days. Digital cameras automatically record the date/time the recording was made.
Videotape the tresspasser and once you have a good face shot and call the cops.
I laughed at that. Our house is 3/10 of a mile off the black top. My wife's experience with living in the country wouldn't fill up a thimble. She once suggested we name our drive "Banjo Rd."zephyp wrote:.....I think banjo music and a few plastic human bones scattered about would be more than sufficient....
Care to expound on this?user wrote:1) The crime of brandishing a firearm is not limited to public places - you can be found guilty of that offense if you're doing it in your own bedroom. The essense of the offense is coercion or intimidation (e.g., "Get off my land!")
Therefore if proven that this supposed infraction occurs on ones own private property it is not in a public place, ergo, code 18.2-282 is invalid?VA Code 18.2-282: Pointing, holding, or brandishing firearm, air or gas operated weapon or object similar in appearance; penalty.
A. It shall be unlawful for any person to point, hold or brandish any firearm or any air or gas operated weapon or any object similar in appearance, whether capable of being fired or not, in such manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another or hold a firearm or any air or gas operated weapon in a public place in such a manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another of being shot or injured. However, this section shall not apply to any person engaged in excusable or justifiable self-defense. Persons violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor or, if the violation occurs upon any public, private or religious elementary, middle or high school, including buildings and grounds or upon public property within 1,000 feet of such school property, he shall be guilty of a Class 6 felony.
The first time I wen to Vahunter's (Henry) house his directions said...when you hear banjo music turn left...he lives down in Charlotte county and I have seen a coupla guys sitting down there in rockers with banjos...Jim wrote:I laughed at that. Our house is 3/10 of a mile off the black top. My wife's experience with living in the country wouldn't fill up a thimble. She once suggested we name our drive "Banjo Rd."zephyp wrote:.....I think banjo music and a few plastic human bones scattered about would be more than sufficient....
Amazingly, nothing states that they must have your permission to retrieve their dogs however. They can basically roam all over your property trying to get their dog(s) back, and never mention anything to you about it. How is that right?Jim wrote: The following is copied and pasted, verbatim, from Virginia Hunting Regulations.
Hunting on Private Property
Trespass violations, posting property, and access issues are all concerns affecting landowner's considerations for allowing hunting. Hunters are reminded that it is unlawful to hunt on private property without the permission of the landowner, and hunters must have the permission of the landowner to track or retrieve wounded game on private property.
On Posted Property:
It is unlawful to hunt without written permission of the landowner and is punishable by a fine of up to $2500 and/or 12 months in jail.
My understanding is that some of those dogs represent a quite considerable investment for their owners... similar in value to most livestock.Jim wrote:I feel the same way. If the guy is just trying to catch his dog and that's all he wants, I'll even help him if I can. Hang, the dog don't know what a fence means. He's just out for the thrill of the hunt.
CCFan wrote:Care to expound on this?user wrote:1) The crime of brandishing a firearm is not limited to public places - you can be found guilty of that offense if you're doing it in your own bedroom. The essense of the offense is coercion or intimidation (e.g., "Get off my land!")
Therefore if proven that this supposed infraction occurs on ones own private property it is not in a public place, ergo, code 18.2-282 is invalid?VA Code 18.2-282: Pointing, holding, or brandishing firearm, air or gas operated weapon or object similar in appearance; penalty.
A. It shall be unlawful for any person to point, hold or brandish any firearm or any air or gas operated weapon or any object similar in appearance, whether capable of being fired or not, in such manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another or hold a firearm or any air or gas operated weapon in a public place in such a manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another of being shot or injured. However, this section shall not apply to any person engaged in excusable or justifiable self-defense. Persons violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor or, if the violation occurs upon any public, private or religious elementary, middle or high school, including buildings and grounds or upon public property within 1,000 feet of such school property, he shall be guilty of a Class 6 felony.
I know all cases are different and the merits of each case are weighed on their own - but this law is worded pretty specifically...
Thanks. I read that numerous times before today, and now I see how I was reading it - I was missing the "or" that seperated point/hold/brandish OR hold in public...WRW wrote: "It shall be unlawful for any person to point, hold or brandish any firearm or any air or gas operated weapon or any object similar in appearance, whether capable of being fired or not, in such manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another..."
Point hold or brandish anywhere OR just hold in public.
I have no problem with someone retrieving their dog...I'll help them too. My problem is the dog running around barking and scaring everything off the property. It gets very frustrating while hunting and all of a sudden somebody's dog got away from them and scares off the game that I've been waiting to get a good shot at.WRW wrote:My understanding is that some of those dogs represent a quite considerable investment for their owners... similar in value to most livestock.Jim wrote:I feel the same way. If the guy is just trying to catch his dog and that's all he wants, I'll even help him if I can. Hang, the dog don't know what a fence means. He's just out for the thrill of the hunt.
I disagree...livestock meander slowly along munching on the occasional clump of grass looking around with a vapid expression...dogs run all over the place making noise and generally raising hell...not good when you're trying to coax deer to your stand...WRW wrote:To me, retrieving hunting dogs is about equivalent to retrieving livestock that has gotten loose. As long as that is what they are doing, and that is all they are doing, it is no big deal.
At that point in the thread where I made that comment we were discussing the law, not the characteristics of the animals. My very limited experience with other peoples dogs is that they keep game moving and the game uses the same trails that I am watching. I assume that your experience hasn't been as pleasant?zephyp wrote:I disagree...livestock meander slowly along munching on the occasional clump of grass looking around with a vapid expression...dogs run all over the place making noise and generally raising hell...not good when you're trying to coax deer to your stand...WRW wrote:To me, retrieving hunting dogs is about equivalent to retrieving livestock that has gotten loose. As long as that is what they are doing, and that is all they are doing, it is no big deal.
Nope, just being puckish. And the dogs do sometimes move the game...very very fast...the tiny deer being chased this past Saturday morning was going too fast to see and the dog didnt look very tasty...WRW wrote:At that point in the thread where I made that comment we were discussing the law, not the characteristics of the animals. My very limited experience with other peoples dogs is that they keep game moving and the game uses the same trails that I am watching. I assume that your experience hasn't been as pleasant?zephyp wrote:I disagree...livestock meander slowly along munching on the occasional clump of grass looking around with a vapid expression...dogs run all over the place making noise and generally raising hell...not good when you're trying to coax deer to your stand...WRW wrote:To me, retrieving hunting dogs is about equivalent to retrieving livestock that has gotten loose. As long as that is what they are doing, and that is all they are doing, it is no big deal.
LOL! I'll have to tell my story sometime. It involves a one eyed dog, a three legged deer, a Belgian horse...zephyp wrote: Nope, just being puckish. And the dogs do sometimes move the game...very very fast...the tiny deer being chased this past Saturday morning was going too fast to see and the dog didnt look very tasty...
Sounds like the scene in Rat Race with the prostitute...sailor hat and a hot tub full of pepto bismal...WRW wrote:LOL! I'll have to tell my story sometime. It involves a one eyed dog, a three legged deer, a Belgian horse...zephyp wrote: Nope, just being puckish. And the dogs do sometimes move the game...very very fast...the tiny deer being chased this past Saturday morning was going too fast to see and the dog didnt look very tasty...
