Bundy Arrested: 1 dead following a shootout

[Viper21]

I finally got around to responding to the synced video and my thoughts are: That man was as big a fool as any I have watched. He was driving a vehicle with kids and other adults in it, placing them in danger. Simple basic compliance with law enforcement would have prevented the risk and stupid loss of his life. He continually taunted the LEOs involved with "Shoot me, go ahead and shoot me" or "You're going to have to shoot me". The synced video had several shots fired as he exited the vehicle, however he did not go down. Why is that? No glass shattered in the vehicle, so they weren't firing at the passenger compartment. Right up until the moment before he went down you could here him taunting, while he was reaching into the jacket. If anything that video shows exactly why the LEOs were justified in firing.

Now I am going to ask you to think about your responses to this case and another case, the Michael Brown incident in Ferguson MO. In that case many people had no trouble assuming a 6' 5" 290 pound 18 year old, a boy in the press, was just a violent thug and ended up getting shot in a justified shooting. In this case we have a middle aged white male who was part of an armed group occupying an empty gov't building, who may or may not have had weapons in the vehicle or on his person. In my opinion, his actions contributed to his own death just the same as Michael Brown's.

BIG difference in the Michael Brown incident (Ferguson, MO)....... HE ACTUALLY ATTACKED THE COP...!! As if that wasn't enough.... he came at the cop again, after he had already assaulted the cop. Brown was given the chance to give up, & surrender to police. Instead he charged the cop, & was then shot dead. In this case... shots were being fired as soon as Finnegan left the vehicle. Everybody in the car said they were unarmed too..... Ridiculous to compare the two incidents.... they aren't even close to the same.

[MarcSpaz]

Mike Brown had already assaulted the police officer and attempted to take his gun while firing a shot in the car trying to kill the cop. Hardly the same situation.

And it sounds like you may need to rewatch that video a few times. Judging from the audio, everyone in the truck was a willing participant. I didn't hear a single person ask him to stop or let them out. And they were all adults.

And yes, they were shooting at him before the truck came to a stop and he was partially out the door when the driver's side back window was shot out.

I have seen plenty of unarmed mentally ill people taunt police without dying for it. There was zero reason to shoot him in the back while unarmed.

[grumpyMSG]

Mike Brown had already assaulted the police officer and attempted to take his gun while firing a shot in the car trying to kill the cop. Hardly the same situation.

And it sounds like you may need to rewatch that video a few times. Judging from the audio, everyone in the truck was a willing participant. I didn't hear a single person ask him to stop or let them out. And they were all adults.

And yes, they were shooting at him before the truck came to a stop and he was partially out the door when the driver's side back window was shot out.

I have seen plenty of unarmed mentally ill people taunt police without dying for it. There was zero reason to shoot him in the back while unarmed.

At 2:39 the female voice says "say we have kids in here". At 2:58 the driver starts in with "Boys,you got to realize, we'v got people on the way. If you want a blood bath it is going to be on your hands" that constitutes a threat, and the question at that point in a court of law becomes, does a reasonable person believe that threat to be credible. At roughly 3:25 the female starts giving directions to someone, the responses sound like a young male voice, could it be one of the mentioned kids? At about 4:15 you again hear the young male voice "Why did they pull you over?"At about 4:20 the male in the back seat asks "where is those Ahh, where is the guns?" Was that question about the Police or their own guns? And the "Winner, winner chicken dinner moment" at about 4:50, a young male head as well as a young female head pops in view on the camera. When they finally got to exiting the vehicle, the young male (12-14 in my estimate) went first, the female (14-18 i'd guess) went second while the older female held the camera.

And it sounds like you might need to rewatch the video. Then you need to think about everything you missed the first and second time around. Then you need to realize the LEOs have one time at full speed to attempt to get it right. When he exited the vehicle, they had no way to know whether he was armed or not. Could they have resolved the situation differently? Sure, any single decision along the way could have changed the ending point, Some different decisions might have gotten more people killed and others would have stopped it sooner.

When this event started it was being treated as a felony traffic stop with a possibly armed and dangerous group. It then escalated with the fleeing of some suspects who then tried to go around a road block and along the way almost struck an officer. If the other LEOs in the area perceive it as he attempted to hit the officer, that would make their response even more cautious and heavy handed.

[MarcSpaz]

There were 3 adult males, and 2 adult females. There were no juveniles in that truck. You likely heard the young female, not a young teen male. In fact, the youngest person in the truck was Victoria Sharp. She was 18 at the time of the shooting/arrest.

I have spent hours reviewing this situation. I can't tell you how many times I watch video about this case, including slow-mo and enhanced A/V.

Also, he wasn't trying to go around the road block. They setup the road block on a blind curve. He stayed turned to the left as he came around the curve to avoid a crash while the LEO's were shooting at him (vehicle was in motion when they were firing). And the LEO that almost got hit is a dumb ass. The driver wasn't aiming for him; he was trying to avoid a crash. If he got hit, it would have been his fault for jumping in front of a speeding vehicle that was clearly not under control and was being shot at. That LEO is lucky he is alive...

[kelu]

How the leo that shoot him from the back saw that he was reaching for a gun, action that can only be seen from front side?

[Viper21]

Mike Brown had already assaulted the police officer and attempted to take his gun while firing a shot in the car trying to kill the cop. Hardly the same situation.

And it sounds like you may need to rewatch that video a few times. Judging from the audio, everyone in the truck was a willing participant. I didn't hear a single person ask him to stop or let them out. And they were all adults.

And yes, they were shooting at him before the truck came to a stop and he was partially out the door when the driver's side back window was shot out.

I have seen plenty of unarmed mentally ill people taunt police without dying for it. There was zero reason to shoot him in the back while unarmed.

Dead men tell no tales.......

Seems that way to me anyways. Also...... if Finnegan was black, & every other thing that happened was exactly the same...... Riots would've already happened. The cops would be on trial, the douchebag posse of Jackson, & Sharpton would be in full attack mode on the government for their actions in this scenario. BUT... instead, Finnegan & others.... who were attempting to stand up to the government, are labeled terrorists...... and nobody cares that he was murdered.

[MarcSpaz]

That's the gist of it, isn't it?

[kelu]

Update:
http://www.kgw.com/news/verdict-reached ... /343325145

[mamabearCali]

Interesting development. Possible jury nullification.
The yep he's guilty but we don't give a darn.

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