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Didn't he state something in there about new "guidance" on lavenders me tangerine consumption?

I'm pretty sure that he exempted chick drinks from his EO.

Lol....they are essential oils (another EO). I like them and they smell nice. But a fuzzy navel or a mudslide would not go amiss. I have to control my stress level however I can. I can't have another flare up so soon after the last.

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You just need to find your center. And a liquor store that makes home deliveries.

A couple of weeks ago, I drove by a drive through liquor store. Didn't even have to get out of your car, just drove inside the building, they did.

Now, if we can get McWendy Bell to start offering rum&cokes and martinis in THEIR drive-thru's, we'll be doing right spiffy.

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I think there was a place called Brew Through or something like that where you could buy beer through the drive through. Anyway.

"Breath in through the nose and out through the mouth. Stretch up towards the sky, feel the stretch radiate through your fingers. Now opening your arms swoop down towards the floor and relax your shoulder. Breath in through your nose and out through your mouth." The sun salutation.

So, President Obama told a really big lie in his speech yesterday. And I hear this lie repeated over and over. He said that no other civilized country has these kinds of tragedies at frequency that we do.

Not only do countries like Brazil and Venezuela have them occur more frequently, but the US murder rate is ranked 121 out of 218 countries in the world. And 100 of the 120 other nations more murderous than the US, firearm ownership for personal use is all but 100% illegal.

Lets look at France. Not this year, but last year. Per records from "Police Nationale" and "Gendarmerie Nationale", in France during 2014 (not 2015) there were 3 mass shootings. That's all. Just 3. However, there were 524 casualties including all deaths and injuries in those 3 shooting.

Now, lets compare that to the US. Since Obama took office we have had 21 mass shootings. Sounds horrifying, right? Well, guess what... It averages about 3 a year, just like in France, but there were 428 casualties including all deaths and injuries. In 7 years, we have had fewer deaths and injuries in the US than in just 1 year in France.

In France, you need to have a permit to buy a firearm that holds more than 3 rounds. You need a permit for a handgun. Self defense is not a valid reason to own a weapon or acquire a permit. Per the records of Police Nationale, there are only 2.3 million gun owners in France out of a population of 65 million people. With all this restriction, they still have more mass shooting victims in one year than the US, where more than half the population (over 165 million) own close to 280 million firearms.

So, not only is he lying, he is hiding evidence... statistical proof that these excessive gun laws and restrictions DON'T stop mass shootings, nor does it save a single life.

Brew thrus are well and active in the OBX. In the small town in Ohio where my grandparents lived there were numerous drive through beer stops. Like VA Ohio has state controlled liquor stores. All these drive through places deliver only closed containers. However in Louisiana I still think they have drive through daiquiri shops.

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I have grown weary of the "if it saves one whatever" statements. They're cheap and shallow. It's nothing but a lazy tactic for shutting down an opponent in a debate. I propose we poke users of that phrase with a cattle prod, every time they use it.

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I'm confused (nothing new).

Is an executive order law for all citizens? If so we are all affected.

If not, who will it affect?

How can BO say, with a straight/crying face, his orders are to reduce crime, yet he cannot tie any of his planned actions to the last 20 or so shooting incidents?

Obama issued a series of Executive Actions, not Executive Orders which carry the weight of law.

This is the best article I've read on the differences between the two.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/vol ... -unlawful/

SHMIV wrote:A couple of weeks ago, I drove by a drive through liquor store. Didn't even have to get out of your car, just drove inside the building, they did.

Don't believe I've seen a drive thru liquor store. "BrewThru" has this concept with beer and wine; although I'm not sure they've hopped on the liquor wagon as of yet.

Definitely an innovative idea.

OakRidgeStars wrote:You just need to find your center. And a liquor store that makes home deliveries.

Back in college we had a corner shop that delivered beer, smokes, whatever..

wittmeba wrote:I'm confused (nothing new).

Is an executive order law for all citizens? If so we are all affected.

If not, who will it affect?

How can BO say, with a straight/crying face, his orders are to reduce crime, yet he cannot tie any of his planned actions to the last 20 or so shooting incidents?

OakRidgeStars wrote:Obama issued a series of Executive Actions, not Executive Orders which carry the weight of law.

This is the best article I've read on the differences between the two.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/vol ... -unlawful/

That article makes a mess of things. Let me explain the purpose and affect of Executive Actions/Orders.

First and foremost, the President has no authority to pass law... period. No Executive Orders or Actions carry the weight of law.. period. Not only does the Constitution not have any provision for allowing Executive Orders or Actions having the force of law, the Constitution specifically forbids it.

Second, the President is the Senior Executive of the executive branch. This means that he provides guidance and direction to members of the Office and all subordinate Offices and Positions of the Executive Branch on how to conduct daily business, which is to defend the People of the US and the Constitution, that's it. Executive Orders Actions are nothing more or less than a CEO of a private company sending out a memo on means or methods to conduct daily business to accomplish a company's mission. It does not apply to any other branch nor do they apply to the people.

Third, any Executive Order is subject to the limits of the Constitution. He cannot order any Executive staff or subordinate Officer to violate law.

Last, all Executive Orders are subject to review by both the Judiciary and Legislative Branches of government. If someone with standing presents and argument, the Judiciary can make a determination if the order is legal and applied to the appropriate parties. No standing or complaint is needed for Congress to vote to over-turn any Executive Order by passing a law to prevent the action from happening by either making the said action or condition illegal or by revoking funds from the Executive Budget.

The inverse is also possible. Congress could also pass a law stating that the Executive Order or Action declared by the POTUS does carry the weight of law and applies to the Executive, Judiciary, and Legislative Branches as well as the People.

No, I don't feel better. As I explained in another thread, I think the speech and EOs are signals to us and to Demo-bureaucrats that laws will be ignored in the persecution of firearm owners - all done in a deniable way, of course, with a big, unsubtle middle finger to emphasize the point.

It all makes sense to me, which makes me worry all the more. But the one thing we can all agree on is that we are no longer a nation of laws. If you believe otherwise then please explain how our new health care system came to be law.

We all knew this was coming. It has been on the horizon for a generation and a half. Right now we can still fight it. For that I am
Thankful.

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