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If you like Harry vote to keep him in like krduz..

It'll make you "feel" better about yourself!!!

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I don't care what you "feel"

Pull up your pants and do the right thing!

Oppose Progressives on every front every chance or soon they will OWN YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN!

ratherfish wrote:I don't care what you "feel"

Pull up your pants and do the right thing!

Oppose Progressives on every front every chance or soon they will OWN YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN!

How does voting for a progressive Republican corporate hack (the private sector version of TMac) who's answer for everything is tax credits (necessitating more government) oppose progressivism?

You need to grow up and stop equating R with "good guy".

I can remember the debacle that was a Republican led government from 2000-2006. I'm cool with many a Republican at the local+state level but I've seen their fruits at the national level.

No thanks. It will take a very exceptional Republican to get me to vote for them for the House/Senate/POTUS.

Earn my vote by getting me to vote for you instead of against someone.

It's so simple even you should get it...yet here we are.

I don't equate R with anything but RINO!!!!!!!

When given a choice between RINO and leftist walking dead that simply push forward the PROGRESSIVE agenda I hold my nose and choose RINO!. We'll take on the Repubics later and re-make the party just like the Reagan revolution. The progressives have been doing that for 100 years and are now on the verge of stealing our republic..... don't you understand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We have to defeat the progressives no matter what !

This is the 2nd election Sarvis queered. When will you stop playing into the progressive plan??? Are your "feelings" more important than the republic? If so your on the wrong tram!

ratherfish wrote:I don't equate R with anything but RINO!!!!!!!

When given a choice between RINO and leftist walking dead that simply push forward the PROGRESSIVE agenda I hold my nose and choose RINO!. We'll take on the Repubics later and re-make the party just like the Reagan revolution. The progressives have been doing that for 100 years and are now on the verge of stealing our republic..... don't you understand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We have to defeat the progressives no matter what !

By electing progressive Republicans?

Mindless R voting leads to being taken for granted. Being taken for granted in politics means no one fights for your vote, they treat it as a given and act accordingly.

See Democrats and black Americans for a good parallel because the GOP base is the same.

This asinine idea of putting them into office now and fighting them later is putting the cart before the horse.

Stop helping the progressives from winning by "voting the lesser of two evils" so they stop getting nominated in the first place. It's quite simple.

This is the 2nd election Sarvis queered. When will you stop playing into the progressive plan??? Are your "feelings" more important than the republic? If so your on the wrong tram!

I have a feeling the guy running on a pro-gay marriage platform didn't take many Republican votes.

The election data once again shows that without Sarvis in the race the Democrat would have won by more, but some people will continue to make baseless claims.

The Republican strategy going forward should be to try to include the Libertarian in debates if possible. Sure you'll peel away a few more Republican votes from SW Virginia with the additional exposure, but you'll peel away many more Democrat votes from places like Richmond, Norfolk, and Fairfax County. It's simply a numbers game.

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ShotgunBlast wrote:The election data once again shows that without Sarvis in the race the Democrat would have won by more, but some people will continue to make baseless claims.

The Republican strategy going forward should be to try to include the Libertarian in debates if possible. Sure you'll peel away a few more Republican votes from SW Virginia with the additional exposure, but you'll peel away many more Democrat votes from places like Richmond, Norfolk, and Fairfax County. It's simply a numbers game.

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Or the GOP could just co-opt the Libertarian platform like the Dems did with the Socialist party.

lol Kreutz and I thought my suggestion had no chance of happening!

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It's not that the Dems co-opted the Socialist platform; the Socialists took over the Democrat party. Of course, the Dems were already leaning that way, anyway. At this point, I'm fairly certain that some have infiltrated the Republicans, too.

I've often said that the Libertarians should just join the GOP. My only concern is that the Libertarians need to prioritize. Right now, we have far greater concerns than legalizing pot, who can marry and who can't, etc.

I'm more concerned with making sure that we aren't surrendered to the first invading nation, and trimming a bunch of alphabet agencies out of the government. Getting the debt under control. Re-securing the 2nd Amendment. Let's fix the big stuff. Otherwise, none of it matters.

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SHMIV wrote:I'm more concerned with making sure that we aren't surrendered to the first invading nation, and trimming a bunch of alphabet agencies out of the government. Getting the debt under control. Re-securing the 2nd Amendment. Let's fix the big stuff. Otherwise, none of it matters.

We have the biggest military in the world. By a lot. And almost all of the next biggest militaries in the world are our allies so I think we're pretty safe against some imaginary invading army. I agree with trimming alphabet agencies and getting the debt under control but neither Republicans nor Democrats have had any interest in those objectives. The largest push to constrict the 2A didn't even get out of the Senate, and while some states added more restrictions other states loosened their laws. While the goal is to continue pushing to gain back what was lost, I'm not worried about it coming under attack with a Republican controlled Senate to join the Republican controlled House.

SHMIV wrote:I've often said that the Libertarians should just join the GOP. My only concern is that the Libertarians need to prioritize. Right now, we have far greater concerns than legalizing pot, who can marry and who can't, etc.

I think you'll have to see true conservatives take control of the Republican brand before you see Libertarians getting on board. As long as the McCains, Grahams, Romneys, and Gillespies control the Republican messaging you'll see Libertarians not want to bother siding with Democrat-lite.

Sure it's easy to dismiss legalizing pot as some low-priority task and reduce the issue to a picture of some stoners on a couch, but drug legalization is the domino that starts knocking down other dominos (some which weave in to what you consider higher priorities).

1. Drug legalization is a prime issue that outlines personal freedom, the foundation that this country was founded on. As long as I am not harming anyone else, I should be allowed to smoke a plant. A plant mind you that was legal to grow and consume up until the last 100 years. You are for continuing the founders' vision of limited government and maximum personal freedom right?

2. Drug legalization puts pressure on our criminal justice system which is responsible for us having the largest prison population in the world despite the US only making up 5% of the world's population. At least 50% of those inmates are in for drug offenses. You wanted to save money right? Let's not put so many people in cages for such petty offenses.

3. Drug legalization puts pressure on ending the war on drugs. You wanted to save money and start chipping away at those alphabet agencies right? Not only can money be saved by not funding such a failed attempt at prohibition, but countless number of police officers, citizens, and pets can be spared from maiming or death from strongarm police raids using questionable tactics.

4. Drug legalization puts pressure on an abusive practice known as civil asset forfeiture where law enforcement take large amounts of cash or property that they think is being used in commission of a crime. Driving cross country with your six-figure winnings from a poker tournament? Gone if the wrong police officer pulls you over. Your kid selling a little pot from your house without your knowledge? Your house can get forfeited. These are real cases and there are many cases like this that happen nationwide, and unlike a criminal proceeding where you are innocent until proven guilty, with civil asset forfeiture cases your property is considered guilty until you spend money proving its innocence. They don't even have to charge you with a crime to take your property. You want to reign in abusive government overreach right?

5. Drug legalization puts pressure on overpriced pharmaceuticals and allows for lower-cost, natural pain medication. You want to help fight rising healthcare costs right?

The same personal freedom case can be made for "who can marry and who can't". Since when did cases regarding personal freedom and limiting government intervention turn into the chump change of political issues?

Well, yes, we have a right large military. I'm not too concerned about our military being defeated (though, from what my military friends have told me, I am concerned that they're not getting the training they should, on account of training being made easier for pc purposes) My big concern is that our current leadership would surrender without a fight, or without much of one. I believe that we have folks in leadership positions that want to thoroughly destroy the country, so entering a war with no intention of really fighting it.... that's one way to reach that goal.

As to the rest of it, I see where you're coming from; it looks like we are, for the most part, looking to accomplish similar goals, we're just coming at them from opposite ends. I would elaborate, but that's a bit overwhelming when I am trying to craft intelligent conversation on a Galaxy S3, in a moving truck. I miss my high speed interwebs and full size desktop.

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Drugs and fornication without limits....

A libertarian and progressive utopia!

Real freedom for the drugged and fornicated huh.

Seems to me that this thread doesn't really deserve to be resurrected. JMO.

Your probably right.

but is was stinkin through the dirt.