Virginia Gun Owners Forum - VGOF

Some have inquired as to what initiated this action. The first email stated "that VA being an open carry state and it not being illegal to carry a gun" as the rational. The second more recent email stated "numerous community complaints regarding the discharge of pellet, paint and bb-guns throughout all sections of the community", two totally different rationals. I can understand restricting negilant discharge and reigning in unsupervised minors as there are already codes for that in VA and PWC. But just uniformely trouncing everyones righst is a little dranconian. About as stupid as Public School Zero tolerance policies.

Reverenddel wrote:I like Snakester's...

What I have always been curious about, why hadn't a group of outdoorsman created a "neighborhood" with bigger lots, and a COMMUNITY INDOOR GUN RANGE, and a HOA that states "Every home must possess a firearm, and be able to use it."?

Think of THAT! And have a "Fall Fling", and a "Spring Sprung" party so neighbors can get to know each other.

Would love to live in such a community. Perhaps with streets named, Remington Way, Winchested Blvd, Colt Lane, Ruger St ... That would be cool!

I like that! I remember the movie "The Green Berets" , and "Sgt Provo's requests" to have a building named after him in death, but make sure it "sings", and they came up with "Provo's Privy".

We have to have "Smith", and "Wesson" intersect, just like "Sturm", and "Ruger" have to intersect. It just HAS too! But I was thinking only have U.S. Gun manufacturers, "Savage St", "Colt Court", "Winchester Way", "Remington Rd"...etc. The garbage dump and Sewage Treatment Plant can be located on "Brady Blvd".

My opinion only.

Reverenddel wrote: We have to have "Smith", and "Wesson" intersect, just like "Sturm", and "Ruger" have to intersect. It just HAS too! But I was thinking only have U.S. Gun manufacturers, "Savage St", "Colt Court", "Winchester Way", "Remington Rd"...etc. The garbage dump and Sewage Treatment Plant can be located on "Brady Blvd".

We'd have to make provisions for Ruger road to eventually connect to brady, and block off the connection to the rest of town. Then we can let the road go into disrepair. Once the residents of Ruger begin taking care of their own road then we can block the connection between the two roads entirely, and finally reconnect it to our community.

MarcSpaz wrote:I hope that's a joke...

We would have had to put signs up, of course, so people coming in know they cant bring guns in. The kid was probably just confused, possibly suffered from "affluenza".



of course I'm joking:)

jdonovan wrote:

Reverenddel wrote: We have to have "Smith", and "Wesson" intersect, just like "Sturm", and "Ruger" have to intersect. It just HAS too! But I was thinking only have U.S. Gun manufacturers, "Savage St", "Colt Court", "Winchester Way", "Remington Rd"...etc. The garbage dump and Sewage Treatment Plant can be located on "Brady Blvd".

We'd have to make provisions for Ruger road to eventually connect to brady, and block off the connection to the rest of town. Then we can let the road go into disrepair. Once the residents of Ruger begin taking care of their own road then we can block the connection between the two roads entirely, and finally reconnect it to our community.

Reverenddel wrote:I like Snakester's...

What I have always been curious about, why hadn't a group of outdoorsman created a "neighborhood" with bigger lots, and a COMMUNITY INDOOR GUN RANGE, and a HOA that states "Every home must possess a firearm, and be able to use it."?

Think of THAT! And have a "Fall Fling", and a "Spring Sprung" party so neighbors can get to know each other.

At these parties, the food of choice should be 'smoked' and a 'failure to feed' should result in a 'positive ejection'.

Side walks and roads are public property and the HOA cannot restrict the possession/carrying of weapons on state/county property.

If you live in a HOA, you have more money than sense. IMHO.

cyras21 wrote:Side walks and roads are public property and the HOA cannot restrict the possession/carrying of weapons on state/county property.

That is not always the case. It could be "common" area that is owned by the HOA or the builder. If the streets and sidewalks are owned by a person or entity and not turned over to the state/county/city, they do have the right to limit how their guests/tenants use that land.

I personally would never move to an area that has a HOA. I'll be damned if I am going to trade decades of my life that I will never get back for personal property, and then someone else is going to tell me what to do with it.

You might want to ask an attorney if you can sue the board members personally under these laws...

18USC Sec. 241. Conspiracy against rights
If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured--
They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

Sec. 242. Deprivation of rights under color of law
Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

widefat wrote: #17 on my list of things to do when I win the lottery:
Give current house (in HOA)to obnoxious group of felon biker gang members under agreement that they must use the residence as a flop house and party location.

PRICELESS!!!!!

Any update?

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Mindflayer wrote:Any update?

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A small group of residents have teamed up to fight this, we add 1 or two persons per week. The matter is in a public comment period until Jan 17th, then the board will re-convene on Jan 30th for further discussions. We hope to persuade them to target illegal/neglent discharge vs. just making our development another target rich zone. For now, media has not been interested in covering the situation and GOA, NRA has not as of yet shown any interest either.

hackeriii wrote:

Mindflayer wrote:Any update?

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A small group of residents have teamed up to fight this, we add 1 or two persons per week. The matter is in a public comment period until Jan 17th, then the board will re-convene on Jan 30th for further discussions. We hope to persuade them to target illegal/neglent discharge vs. just making our development another target rich zone. For now, media has not been interested in covering the situation and GOA, NRA has not as of yet shown any interest either.

What about the VCDL? have you let Phil know about what is going on here. Just email him and if nothing else he may be able to give you some advice on how to deal with this situation.

Also I was not aware that HOA's could trump Stae laws. By this I mean that the discharge of pellet, Paintball and BB guns on ones on property is alowed as long as it does not leave your property.

Just some thoughts

JustinCase wrote:If you live in a HOA, you have more money than sense. IMHO.

In Northern VA, you may not have a choice. It's getting harder and harder to find decent housing in the DC area that is not HOA.

Taggure wrote:

hackeriii wrote:

Mindflayer wrote:Any update?

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A small group of residents have teamed up to fight this, we add 1 or two persons per week. The matter is in a public comment period until Jan 17th, then the board will re-convene on Jan 30th for further discussions. We hope to persuade them to target illegal/neglent discharge vs. just making our development another target rich zone. For now, media has not been interested in covering the situation and GOA, NRA has not as of yet shown any interest either.

What about the VCDL? have you let Phil know about what is going on here. Just email him and if nothing else he may be able to give you some advice on how to deal with this situation.

Also I was not aware that HOA's could trump Stae laws. By this I mean that the discharge of pellet, Paintball and BB guns on ones on property is alowed as long as it does not leave your property.

Just some thoughts

Yes I know Phil and he put me in touch with an attorney that has provided some (so far) pro-bono advice which was helpfull. Phil also was able to get some HOA VDCL members in touch with each other. That is how we got started. If these regularions stick, Dominion Valley just might become the largest gun free zone in Virginia (outside of military base).

It's damn near impossible to buy a home in NoVA in an HOA-free area. Trust me, we looked. A co-worker tried to get me to buy in Maryland.

I lived under a Nazi hoa in the first house I ever purchased.

"NO HOA" is now the first check off box when I look for a residence.

Any good news developing on sending into remission and preventing the return of this horrible cancer on gun rights?