Virginia Gun Owners Forum - VGOF

Fact is, most states are screwed in one law or another. The second says: shall not be INFRINGED, not shall not be regulated too much in one state or another.

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I agree with safari cave. We will be moving from The Peoples Democratic Republic of California this spring and are look to breath free air.

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SHMIV wrote:Maybe I'm dense, but I don't quite understand why a massive purchase of electronics has anything to do with firearm proficiency.

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Kreutz wrote: In "may issue" states you have to "show need"...like you have a lot of valuables, routinely carry cash for your job, etc.

SHMIV wrote:Ahh, of course. Thank you. Makes sense, now.

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Yep... Kreutz hit the nail on the head. I had to prove I was proficient and that my life was at higher risk that the rest of the population.

I submitted a packet that was probably 40 pages long including finger prints, photos, endorsements, training certifications, proficiency certifications, etc.

They only issue to property or business owners. If you rent and don't own a business... no guns for you.

I also had to submit a letter explaining "why" I felt I was at risk more than others. I explained that I was a small business owner with no lines of credit so all of my transactions were cash. I had a store buy a bunch of TV's and high-end electronics from me for inventory; as well as a night club that bought a new sound system and a bunch of lighting equipment. I used those two receipts and explain that someone casing me/my business would know I always had cash and I said that I was afraid that for $100,000+, they would just kill me and take it instead of a traditional stick-up.

On top of all of that, I had to have a face to face interview with the AG because, although I had ties to police and state government officials, my dad is a 3 time convicted felon and has ties to organized crime. The AG made it very clear that if I got caught up in the BS my dad and his friends were in, that he would have been extra hard on me for any weapons violations. It was pretty crazy.

I was able to get a security clearance with less paperwork and details about my life. I doubt it got better since then too.

That seems like a ridiculous rectal pain.

Can't fathom why anyone would want to live in such inhospitable conditions.

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I know... that's why I left.

Eh, okay, not entirely true, but a part of it. RI was a huge manufacturing state and not much money in the field of computer science. In 1997 (the year I left) the average 2 income family was grossing about $37,000 a year in the capital city of Providence.

Between the corruption, socialist laws, organized crime and little money, it became a great place to visit... for a minute.

Here in SWVA, I OC quite a bit... even in front of police, and have NEVER had a negative encounter!

Places like Craig County, carrying a 357 or .45 brings absolutely NO weird glances, its like its expected...

I hear stories about NOVA folks, and feel sorry for them...

Thats all I can say on the topic, wish it were more constructive.

JC

JustinCase wrote:Here in SWVA, I OC quite a bit... even in front of police, and have NEVER had a negative encounter!

Places like Craig County, carrying a 357 or .45 brings absolutely NO weird glances, its like its expected...

I hear stories about NOVA folks, and feel sorry for them...

Thats all I can say on the topic, wish it were more constructive.

JC

Same here JC. I see others OC from time to time. My wife works in a retail environment & has customers that OC frequently. It's just not that uncommon in the boonies for sure. There are several stores in my area that, the store owners, & or employees OC daily.

When I picked up my CHP from the county (which only took 10 days I might add).... the clerk pulled it out of an envelope FULL of issued permits that hadn't been picked up yet

Its funny, but when I OC, my wife is the only one who seems to complain. LOL She is always worried about what other people think.

Seriously though I have not OC'ed in Alexandria, Arlington or Fairfax mostly out of fear of people over-reacting. I do OC about monthly in Culpeper, Fauquier, Loudoun, Prince William, Spotsylvania, Stafford, and Warren. No one has ever said anything negative, but I get the most amount of people either staring or obviously panic and leave the area in Prince William.

One of the best reactions I had while OC'ing was at Cowle's Parkway Ford on Hoodbridge. I was OC'ing and kinda forgot about it to be honest. I walked in to see about buying a Mustang. The sales guy was completely unfazed. I am not even sure if he was just being polite or if he really just didn't notice.

After awhile, I guy from the service department was walking by and noticed my Sig. Before I knew it, there were probably 6 or 7 of us talking about the firearms we own, including the Service manager and a General Sales manager.

I remember when I first started carrying, I was browsing through Big Lots. After I picked up a few things, I went to the check out line, and the girl at the counter told me that she was kind of scared when I walked in, but then realized that she had seen me in the store, before. She remembered that I was always nice, and figured that if I was inclined to do anything malignant, I would have done it by now.

She was still scared of guns when I left, but was no longer scared of gun owners. It had never occurred to her that good guys carry, because she had never seen it before. She did see scary drug dealers carry, though.

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In three years here I've seen only 1 OC'er in the Roanoke vicinity, it was a guy in the waiting room as I was leaving the podiatrists office (plantar fasciitis ftw). Him, myself, and the receptionist had a casual gun chat as I paid my co-pay.

That was it so far.