What is a good sight for an AR-15? I heard TruGlo

[Jbecker]

Try shooting a few hundred rounds and report back. I already know the outcome, you will end up buying a real optic and not a toy if you actually shoot.


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[Oakes]

Try shooting a few hundred rounds and report back. I already know the outcome, you will end up buying a real optic and not a toy if you actually shoot.


Tapatalk ate my grammar

For $100 bucks and a lifetime guarantee I can have it replaced and put it on a .22, have enough of those. Besides it told me what I needed to know. An Aimpoint will probably end up on my Thompson Center. Have to decide what goes on my Car9 Colt.

[cwfunrider]

After reading this thread i decided i wanted to go the scope route. I had a cheap holographic site that i hated.

I went with the Nikon P-223 3x32. Cabelas was throwing in the rings as a promotion so that saved 50 bucks.

I find i prefer slow precision shots. My AR is not looked at by me as one of my first go to home defense arms.

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[MarcSpaz]

Unless you have something like an "M4-2000" for your AR, you will have some hearing damage after firing a few shots indoors without hearing protection.

For my go-to in the house, I have a GSG 5 which is an H&K MP5 replica that fires 22LR. I have two 22 round mags and a $50 red dot. With 22 rounds I'm pretty sure I'll stop anyone, but low velocity 22 JHP's are less likely to go through my attacker or a wall and hit a family member if I miss. The Sig 40 S&W is a great backup though. LOL

[gunderwood]

Unless you have something like an "M4-2000" for your AR, you will have some hearing damage after firing a few shots indoors without hearing protection.

I really do like AAC products, but in this case I think the Surefire SOCOM mounts are vastly superior. 5.56mm SOCOM Monster? Check. 60rnd mag loaded with barrier blind ammo. Check. Fully decked out AR15. Check. Rock and roll baby!

For my go-to in the house, I have a GSG 5 which is an H&K MP5 replica that fires 22LR. I have two 22 round mags and a $50 red dot. With 22 rounds I'm pretty sure I'll stop anyone, but low velocity 22 JHP's are less likely to go through my attacker or a wall and hit a family member if I miss. The Sig 40 S&W is a great backup though. LOL

You do what you want, but .22lr is NOT and ideal SD round. Anything that will penetrate an attacker will also penetrate a wall. In general, if .22lr expands it will not penetrate deep enough (~5" in gel; skin is worth approx. 3-4" and the FBI gold standard is min 12"). Even when it doesn't expand it rarely meets the FBI minimum requirement of 12". Better than nothing I guess, but hardly ideal.

http://www.brassfetcher.com/22LR/22LR%2 ... 0Table.pdf

Proper SD HPs or otherwise LE loads are designed to be effective and yet still not pose a significant risk to others after passing through the intended target. Thus, the FBI's requirement for max of 18" in gel penetration (gel not as tough as a human body so real penetration is often less). Any round, even the lowly .22lr will easily pass through an interior wall and pose a threat. Interestingly, high velocity rifle bullets tend to destabilize and tumble which bleeds off their energy much faster than nearly anything else. LEA's went through a fad with 9mm ARs only to discover that the old 5.56mm actually was not only more effective, but posed less risk to innocents.

Honestly, an AR15 chambered in 5.56mm and loaded with quality ammo is one of most effective platforms and the least risky; hit probabilities are generally much better with a shoulder fired rifle vs a handgun and the round looses energy rapidly after striking a barrier. If you don't mind an SBR, a 10" 300BLK (roughly equivalent to a 16" 5.56mm in terminal performance) will get you the suppressor for practically free in OAL/weight, while still providing sufficient rail length for proper handling and accessories.

[MarcSpaz]

That's a lot of good info. I appreciate it. Those Surefire silencers look pretty nice. I have to look into those a bit more.

I knew the 22LR wasn't ideal... I planned on making up for it with pure volume (if the need arises).

For my M4, I always keep two 30 round mags loaded with 10 round each in the event that someone has not breached the house yet, but it sits in my locked cabinet and I carry the key. Now I might switch to the 5.56 sitting at the ready instead, but I have to work on the "hearing safe" part.

[gunderwood]

That's a lot of good info. I appreciate it. Those Surefire silencers look pretty nice. I have to look into those a bit more.

I knew the 22LR wasn't ideal... I planned on making up for it with pure volume (if the need arises).

For my M4, I always keep two 30 round mags loaded with 10 round each in the event that someone has not breached the house yet, but it sits in my locked cabinet and I carry the key. Now I might switch to the 5.56 sitting at the ready instead, but I have to work on the "hearing safe" part.

General rule of thumb is that the Surefires are a bit louder than the AACs, but the Surefire mount is incredible. I don't know for sure, but my guess is that because the Surefire mount is longer, they loose one baffle to the AAC, thus slightly louder. Personally, I would have preferred Surefire shorten the mount and optimize for suppressed fire more like AAC appears to have done.

The AAC mount is very good, but just not as good IMHO. The AAC mount design won't back off, but due to the thread/teeth design it can be a bit loose; functionally ok, but just doesn't feel as solid. AAC tried a 90T design, but the taper on that didn't work out well for semi/auto rifles (lots of carbon build up makes it practically impossible to remove the suppressor until things cool down. The previous iteration of the 90T works great on a bolt gun though. The two disadvantages of the Surefire is cost and can mounting is a two step process. With the AAC you twist it on and that's it. With the Surefire you slide it one and then twist the end cap until is "compresses" around the mount. I've never seen it, but apparently an occasional person has forgot to tighten the end cap. Also, don't bother with a Ti can for a high-volume rifle, get steel if you want it to last.

Just be aware that there is no such thing as a quiet AR. Hearing "safe" yes, but not quiet. There isn't much different between cans at the shooters ear because of the noise coming out of the ejection port. In fact, some of the quieter cans down range are actually louder at the ear. There are good dedicated NFA forms where you'll find people with a lot of good info.

FYI, a Ti-Rant in 9/.45 is quieter still (although handgun < rifle) and they make a military "short" version that is intended to be hearing safe only. Still waiting on my regular Ti-Rants to transfer though.

[Oakes]

I did another 50 rounds and it still functions.
Will keep you posted