Quite Alarming if True

[VAcooner]

Glad to be living in Virginia in these times...
VCDL had this link today
(Thanks to VCDL member Don Litton)

http://news.oldva.org/?p=85629

I just watched it and this is worth watching, especially at the end. Glad to know we are in good hands with these guys. It was like the guy submitting the bill was reading from a script passed down to him. He makes a Ronald Reagan reference that is total BS. If I knew how I wold fact check that claim. Maybe some of you younger computer guys can check it some how.

As for some of these things that keep popping up on the radar about the military operating within the US (like the study about Darlington South Carolina) - I think it might be the case that this is actually bait they are throwing out to cause some folks to react, and then they will turn right around and point fingers. For example, they could be using this as a way to see who reacts first, so they know who to keep an eye on. It is almost like they want some kind of extreme reaction to use to make their points. That is a weak way to make a point. just a thought.

[Kreutz]

Enlighten us

like I said there is a precedent.

Like Dormin said, ask some of the beneficiaries of our Constitutional rule of law how their governments attack dogs would never kill them.

Oh...charred corpses can't talk, nevermind.

Laugh all ya want, it has happened before and will happen again.

And with an unusually trigger/drone happy POTUS, well, methinks it will be happening again sooner rather than later. Hope I'm wrong.

[Palladin]

@ cooner - Tru dat , just sifting for chatter...

[gfost1]

Howdy, Y'all,

The men and women who wear (or wore) the uniform of this nation's armed forces represent our best and brightest, and deserve our respect, admiration, and gratitude. Nevertheless, we have reason to be concerned regardless of the truth of the story in the OP.

While comparisons of our military to that of Nazi Germany are distasteful, during the 68 years since the end of WWII mankind has changed not one iota. In fact, I daresay that since the Creation the trend of our social evolution has been for the worse rather than for the better.

Will our military fire on fields of unarmed sheeple? No, at least not in the beginning. But by the time the spin doctors are through, our armed forces will see themselves as the last line of defense between civilization and the threat of domestic terrorism, and it will be their patriotic duty to fire upon whomever our government has deemed to be the wolves. Not because our soldiers are evil, callous, or stupid, but because they are human.

Regards,

George

[RickH]

Good evening all,
I'm not what you would call a "regular" poster on here, I'm more the type to read the forum and make myself think a bit more. However, tonight I felt compelled to let people know exactly what is going on with their military.
First, I'd like to point out that the oath which I took was to support and defend the CONSTITUTION, not the country, or the government, or whatever else some people may believe it to be.
Secondly, I'd like to point out that your "average" grunt may not know everything he should about the Constitution, or the oath that he took, his senior enlisted leaders do. By senior enlisted I mean Gunnery Sergeants, Staff Sergeants and the occasional Sergeant that DOES know his ass from a hole in the ground. And I can tell you all, that while some Generals and even some Colonels would give these orders that you speak of, they aren't giving these orders directly. Your enlisted man is the one who gets the job done. I've not once heard of a General (Except Mattis) that has stood duty. I've not once heard of a General firing artillery in support of foward infantry units.
And for the record, every chance I get, I speak to my Marines of current events and they have a great understanding of what is going on in our country.
Just something to stir the pot a bit and make people think a little more.
~Rick

[dusterdude]

Semper fi rick

[ratherfish]

I think some here have a really romanticized and/or very out of date view of the military.

Truth be told I see no problem with todays Army firing on civilians, hell, many would probably have a hard on while they're at it.

I was a lower enlisted dude 11 years ago (time flies!), if you think the modern American army (read: gangbangers, sex offenders, alkies, illiterates, psychopaths, illegal immigrants, meth-heads, pedophiles, etc.) even know what the Constitution is, you are sorely mistaken.

Plus its rather uh, "diverse" so shooting a few racist gun nut white devils wouldn't be much of a crisis of conscience if you catch my drift.

I had a good view of how things worked on the bottom; it was terrifying and I was happy to leave.

If that was your view you were either in a different Army or your viewpoint was crap.


Glad you're GONE!

[Machias]

Amen Rick!

[Reverenddel]

I've known soldiers like Kreutz, and I've known soldiers like my boss (ex U.S. Army Ranger)

There is a mish-mash in the military, and yes, gangbangers are sending their "unprosecuted" youth thru to learn techniques, and come back to teach the gang. Along with the fact the CID, and NCIS have been researching "gang tags" in Iraq, and Afghanistan.

So as to the fact they're "testing for chatter", I'm pretty sure they know whose gonna do what in the military.

As sure as they're scanning these forums, and putting together a list.

One adage: "I will live my life standing, not groveling on my knees."

OR!

As they say in the inner cities: "DON'T BRING NONE, AIN'T GONNA BE NONE!"

[dorminWS]

Just for the record, I DID NOT "compare" the US military to Nazi Germany. I used an example based on Nazi Germany to make the point that a very few evil people in the wrong place can do great evil and reflect great discredit upon a whole nation.

[Kreutz]

I've known soldiers like Kreutz,

Impossible. I'd be shocked if anyone remembered my name or face. Us "invisibles" were good at what we did...chiefly as little as humanly possible.

I always did materialize around meal time though, as if by magic. Departing again with a vague excuse delivered with the thickest possible New Yawk accent that couldn't be cross referenced much less understood in the first place.

Ah, good times. No one has paid me just for existing in a state of living matter since I left the Army.

Oh, I did leave one group out of my little list, the pension-whores, you remember those?

The dudes for whom a crappy pension assumed Divine importance, and was the only thing sustaining them?.

Captains and up on the O-side, senior NCO's on the E-side?

Those will be the ones directing the miscreants to shoot you.

Don't look for any help from the generals either; they live like rock stars. Attendents. McMansion. Chauffeurs. Jets. Chefs.

They ain't giving that crap up for your ass.

[Reverenddel]

Most of the invisibles I met, went on to "intelligence service" because they blend into the background.

As to whom I'm concerned at giving the order to "fire"? No one.

Because in the end, they know... if someone does that, and it leaks onto Youtube, the internet, or into the media, the public will lose their minds. Unfortunately, nothing will be done, but that officer's career.

[RickH]

Kreutz, I'm not going to lie, I don't appreciate for half a second about the way you referred to lower enlisted military personnelle as "miscreants." There may be a few turds that slip through the cracks and foul up the water for everyone else, but I'll be damned if someone is gonna make a general statement about MY Marines and their conduct. I've had the pleasure to serve with some of the best men I'll ever know. What right do you have to foul their name? What they stood for? None. Absolutely none.
Contrary to popular belief amongst the conspiracy theorists, military personelle are not brain-washed robots. I do know right from wrong, and I have a conscience.

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[GeneFrenkle]

Years ago when I supported the USMC as a contractor, of the folks I worked with, the Marines always performed their duty - I never had to guess and coule always count on them. I did have one issue with a dude right out of TBS from PISC, but the Gunny cleared that up quickly. I can still hear the shouting LOL. Good people and I'd work with them again in a heartbeat.

[Kreutz]

Kreutz, I'm not going to lie, I don't appreciate for half a second about the way you referred to lower enlisted military personnelle as "miscreants." There may be a few turds that slip through the cracks and foul up the water for everyone else,but I'll be damned if someone is gonna make a general statement about MY Marines and their conduct. I've had the pleasure to serve with some of the best men I'll ever know. What right do you have to foul their name? What they stood for? None. Absolutely none.
Contrary to popular belief amongst the conspiracy theorists, military personelle are not brain-washed robots. I do know right from wrong, and I have a conscience.

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Well, thats fantastic. Anyway, the subject at hand is if the POTUS wants leaders who will fire on US civilians (if true) and how likely that is.

I take the position its extremely likely given the uh, "demographics" of the Army (the only one I have personal familiarity with).

Anyway, time will tell.

I will confess curiosity over this little tidbit:

What right do you have to foul their name? What they stood for? None. Absolutely none.

What exactly do "they" stand for?

And I am paying for "they" via my tax dollars so yeah, I have a right to say what I want.

[ratherfish]

I knew malcontents like kreutz...

Joined then bitched and moaned every second cause thay couldn't make the grade. Usually lived in fear of a blanket party cause they smelled and couldn't quite come up to some very resonable expectations. They bail unchanged from their self centered selves ASAP and pretend the service is for those "benieth" them.

Easy enough to explain during the draft but just plain shows lack of character if you enlisted. Just do your time like a man and get out. Maybe not return to civilian life as the worm that couldn't hack dicipline.

Just because they didn't understand their oath they assume nobody else does...

Kreutz likes to refer to his bogtry as "demographics"....Haven't you broken the simple minded "code" yet?

He thinks his "accident of birth" is the only thing that makes him American and apparently that's all that does. The service is designed to weed out his type and it does that very well.

[PhantomPhixer]

Take this for what it's worth but a man called in on American Family Radio a few days ago confirming that his son, who is in the military, had been given this very litmus test. He was being considered for some new job or promotion, and was asked outright if he would kill Americans if called upon to do so. He answered no. Was passed over for the promotion, although the exact reasons were not given.

So the question is being asked at least.

[allingeneral]

Kreutz, I'm not going to lie, I don't appreciate for half a second about the way you referred to lower enlisted military personnelle as "miscreants." There may be a few turds that slip through the cracks and foul up the water for everyone else,but I'll be damned if someone is gonna make a general statement about MY Marines and their conduct. I've had the pleasure to serve with some of the best men I'll ever know. What right do you have to foul their name? What they stood for? None. Absolutely none.
Contrary to popular belief amongst the conspiracy theorists, military personelle are not brain-washed robots. I do know right from wrong, and I have a conscience.

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Well, thats fantastic. Anyway, the subject at hand is if the POTUS wants leaders who will fire on US civilians (if true) and how likely that is.

I take the position its extremely likely given the uh, "demographics" of the Army (the only one I have personal familiarity with).

Anyway, time will tell.

I will confess curiosity over this little tidbit:

What right do you have to foul their name? What they stood for? None. Absolutely none.

What exactly do "they" stand for?

And I am paying for "they" via my tax dollars so yeah, I have a right to say what I want.

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!

(sorry, just watched that movie a couple of nights ago and had to say it)

[Reverenddel]

In truth? I was thinking if something happened, it would be more guerrilla skirmishes, not an out, and out firefight with lines drawn, etc, etc...

However, If you have BILLIONS of rounds being fed to the military, then LEO, then civilians... D'ahellare is going on?

Because as I stated? When this powder keg goes off? You're looking at the collapse of the United States. Seriously. Martial Law get's declared, you start checking "papers", military script is issued with EBT cards, etc, etc...

It'll be the end of this country.

I'd like to think someone in D.C. has whispered to those in power, "Do you want to be the person who caused the downfall of this nation?"

[DryBones]

Some would answer that's exactly what Obama wants...


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