4 More Years...Look Out !!!

[mamabearCali]

Well they don't waste any time.....

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[GeneFrenkle]

I've had enough of "forward", "hope", and "change" for one day. G'night.

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[kelu]

Well, liberals, I wait to see your posts how you have surrender your weapons. After all, weapons are dangerous, and you have already proved that you are not responsible people, right? And if kommander says so, you will jumping to make him happy, while drones are buzzing over your head.

[gunderwood]

Putting a candidate on the ballot that better expresses the party principles is just half the issue. The other half is that the country is changing. For better or for worse, we have different demographics than we did just 30 years ago. If your party fails to relate to those changing demographics then you'll continue to lose elections.

Principles like liberty are demographic neutral. They appeal to men & women, young and old, rich and poor, and all sorts of ethnicities. We need real leaders rather than panderars. All your reference is doing is suggesting how the party should pander.

Edit: The problem with those "traditional conservative principles" or purests as your reference calls them is that they are anything but principles. They choose the implementation and then attempt to rationalize it just like the other party. Policy should flow from principles, not decide the policy and than attach nice sounding words to them 1984 style. War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength!

[Kreutz]

It really doesn't matter.

Kreutz, do you have kids? What kind of future are you preparing for them?

Four, what of them?

Arent you from Romania or something? Let me fill you in on a secret, it doesnt matter who won last night because irregardless of who wins our country grows poorer, our liberties grow leaner, and things get worse.

If Romney had won nothing would have been different, same as if McCain won in 2008; we'd still have bailouts, NDAA, SOPA, warrantless wiretaps, etc etc etc.

The kool-aid drinker Republicans can tell themselves otherwise, but its the truth, the game is rigged no matter what for the people to lose. Just every four years half of them are allowed to delude themselves into thinking they had a say when "their" guy wins,

Theres a reason third parties are literally not allowed a seat at the table'; the two thieves at opposite ends have it tilted juuuuuust right for themselves.

We're on a platter in the middle incidentally.

[Reverenddel]

I'm not a Republican Kreutz, but I had HOPE that Romney would slow the tide a bit...

Because Obama is nothing more than a socialistic scumbag who drains the prosperity of a nation like vampire. In their eyes? I'm the enemy.

In every liberal's eyes... I am the enemy.

And the Democratic party is already behaving like an "occupying force" in this country. What they forget if they're not a student of history... a guerilla force is nearly impossible to remove.

The Russians/Americans didn't learn that in Afghanistan.

The Americans didn't learn that in Vietnam.

The British didn't learn that HERE!

[TheGodfather]

And the planned destruction of America continues through the UN: http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/u-n-plotting ... -internet/

[Reverenddel]

http://info.publicintelligence.net/USAr ... lement.pdf

Read this doc, and there is NO turning back!

[Kreutz]

I'm not a Republican Kreutz, but I had HOPE that Romney would slow the tide a bit...

He never had a chance. But even if by some miracle he won it would have continued unabated because then all the self-described patriots that came out of the woodwork when Obama won the first time would be lulled back into complacency.

[kelu]

Exactly because I have lived almost all my life first in communism then in what first post-revolutionary president called "an original democracy" - that is, a socialism with neo-capitalism mix, I DO NOT WANT to get back to that. I know too well what this means and what to expect. You don't.
I'm looking now for my next move. I had hope, but not anymore. There are too many dumb people in this country. Some may wake up, some never. But I don't want for my daughter the same life as I had.

[wpoppert]

Kelu, I am sorry for your experience. We all deserve better than this. My ancestors have been in this country since the 1600s. They fought for its freedom in nearly every conflict since (and including) the revolution. I feel physically sick that all of their sacrifices have come to this. I still hope for a brighter future, but I am afraid we must go through some very dark and terrible days before we get there.

[kelu]

When I was a child, the govern tried to squeeze everything to pay the debt. So we had electricity cut for 4-6 hours every day, temperature in our tiny apartments was 14-16 Celsius degrees in winter (57-60 deg F), food rations (half bread per person per day, 2 pounds of meat per month, 0.5 liter of cooking oil, like that). To have milk (only milk, no butter!) my dad had to wake up and go to shop and wait in line from 4AM to 6AM to get 2 liters of milk - maximum allowed. Then of course he had to go to work.

First image is a milk queue, the second one is a bread one. What did you think, that only milk is scarce?
To buy a shitty car you had to pay it in full, then wait 7 years to be delivered. And you had a ratio of 40 liters of gas per month per car (like 12 gal) and on you could used on Sundays only twice a month, based on the last number on the plate. To go to beach in vacation you had to save gas whole year. Salaries were relatively ok (like 200 USD average) because you could not buy almost anything anyway.
A bread a that time was 0.65 Lei (our currency).
Looks weird to you? It was just 23 years ago.
Then "original democracy" came, and fast forward today, same bread is now 16000 Lei. 90% of the productive industry was destroyed, closed, cut and sold to scrap. Malls everywhere. Production nowhere. From 14 million workers (out of 22 million population), we are now to 5 million workers (and from them, over 1 mil are paid from national budget) for 19 million population. Of course, official unemployment figures are at 9-10%.
Health care is officially free, and guaranteed for everyone. Of course, is not free, like 44% of the gross salary goes to health fund. Reality is that nobody looks at you if you don't put an envelope in doctor (or nurse) pocket, and even then they may refuse you if is not enough. Plus, they can't give you anything, you have to buy the whole medication; even the suture string to close you after a surgery and needles and syringes. I'm not kidding, I'm not exaggerating a bit.
This is just a glimpse, I can write couple pages but it's getting depressing.
Just look at Greece to see how things works (another great socialist country).

ARE YOU READY?

[MNMGoneShooting]

I can't even fathom it. I've only heard the stories of it... Downright scary stuff. For me as a 40 year old, growing up in a suburban environment, I find myself poorly educated and overwhelmed at the crippling effect of relying on government and industry so heavily. For the scenario you describe, my response is I'm aware of the possibility, but far from ready.

My family has so much to learn and little time.

[Reverenddel]

I simply pray for a quick death at this point... I have no faith in this country, or the Socialist Scumbags (SoScu, pronouced "SOSS-CUE") that voted the long legged liar in chief another term.

Kelu? Let me know what country fits the bill you need met to move... there are those of us who are seriously contemplating the move.

[MNMGoneShooting]

I liked Dennis' take on it...

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/oreilly/i ... neys-loss/

He plays down the SHTF scenario though. I'm not as comfortable.

[ShotgunBlast]

What's funny about the Obama smear machine is that he got all of his material from the other Republican candidates during the primaries. Or are we supposed to forget how much they called Romney a vulture capitalist?

[Snakester]

When I was a child, the govern tried to squeeze everything to pay the debt. So we had electricity cut for 4-6 hours every day, temperature in our tiny apartments was 14-16 Celsius degrees in winter (57-60 deg F), food rations (half bread per person per day, 2 pounds of meat per month, 0.5 liter of cooking oil, like that). To have milk (only milk, no butter!) my dad had to wake up and go to shop and wait in line from 4AM to 6AM to get 2 liters of milk - maximum allowed. Then of course he had to go to work.

First image is a milk queue, the second one is a bread one. What did you think, that only milk is scarce?
To buy a shitty car you had to pay it in full, then wait 7 years to be delivered. And you had a ratio of 40 liters of gas per month per car (like 12 gal) and on you could used on Sundays only twice a month, based on the last number on the plate. To go to beach in vacation you had to save gas whole year. Salaries were relatively ok (like 200 USD average) because you could not buy almost anything anyway.
A bread a that time was 0.65 Lei (our currency).
Looks weird to you? It was just 23 years ago.
Then "original democracy" came, and fast forward today, same bread is now 16000 Lei. 90% of the productive industry was destroyed, closed, cut and sold to scrap. Malls everywhere. Production nowhere. From 14 million workers (out of 22 million population), we are now to 5 million workers (and from them, over 1 mil are paid from national budget) for 19 million population. Of course, official unemployment figures are at 9-10%.
Health care is officially free, and guaranteed for everyone. Of course, is not free, like 44% of the gross salary goes to health fund. Reality is that nobody looks at you if you don't put an envelope in doctor (or nurse) pocket, and even then they may refuse you if is not enough. Plus, they can't give you anything, you have to buy the whole medication; even the suture string to close you after a surgery and needles and syringes. I'm not kidding, I'm not exaggerating a bit.
This is just a glimpse, I can write couple pages but it's getting depressing.
Just look at Greece to see how things works (another great socialist country).

ARE YOU READY?

These things are hard for us American's to believe ! Very Depressing...I ALMOST feel GUILTY... This afternoon I went to FOOD LION and purchased almost $300.00 on groceries...Stopped at SHEETS and put $235.00 worth of GAS in my MOTORHOME...Then my Buddy Matt stopped by on his way to Walmart ( couldn't pass that up ) and bought $110.00 worth of misc. AMMO. Ain't it GREAT to be an AAAAAAAAAAAMERICAN !!!

[SHMIV]

Let me fill you in on a secret, it doesnt matter who won last night because irregardless of who wins our country grows poorer, our liberties grow leaner, and things get worse.

If Romney had won nothing would have been different, same as if McCain won in 2008; we'd still have bailouts, NDAA, SOPA, warrantless wiretaps, etc etc etc.

I suspect that "Justice" appointments would be different.

[gunderwood]

Exactly because I have lived almost all my life first in communism then in what first post-revolutionary president called "an original democracy" - that is, a socialism with neo-capitalism mix, I DO NOT WANT to get back to that. I know too well what this means and what to expect. You don't.
I'm looking now for my next move. I had hope, but not anymore. There are too many dumb people in this country. Some may wake up, some never. But I don't want for my daughter the same life as I had.

I'd venture to say that none of us want to see that.

The difference is merely our belief if Romney would have done anything about it or not. I don't think he would have based on his record and even the debt estimates if Romney/Ryan got everything they were asking for. 2016 has Obama at $21.5T and Romney at $21.7T...both from ~16T today. Romney was only going to do enough to claim victory, but not even remotely enough to resolve the issue. Both Obama and Romney require the economy to make a dramatic turnaround for their wildest claims to come partially true, which seems unlikely under either of their policies.

Given the likelihood of significantly increased debt in 4 years regardless of who became president, on this issue, it made little difference who won. This view appears to be shared by a large number of Americans since Romney lost millions of votes compared to McCain. Think about that for a second. Romney had ~2M less votes than McCain while running against "the worst president ever." Obama also lost ~8.4M votes compared to 2008. Over 10 million Amercians, compared to 2008, didn't vote for either of those candidates because they were both aweful! Democrats lost theirs because Obama's track record is pitiful. Republicans lost theirs and didn't gain any from Obama because they decided to run a lame, wishy-washy candidate whom most people saw right through. Even those who did vote for Romney generally didn't care for him; they just hated Obama more.

Edit: Let's not forget all the support Romney and the party lost from 2010's midterm election. That's a direct result of the party shutting out the grassroots because they were serious about actually cutting government which your average Republican only pays lip service too.

[gunderwood]

Let me fill you in on a secret, it doesnt matter who won last night because irregardless of who wins our country grows poorer, our liberties grow leaner, and things get worse.

If Romney had won nothing would have been different, same as if McCain won in 2008; we'd still have bailouts, NDAA, SOPA, warrantless wiretaps, etc etc etc.

I suspect that "Justice" appointments would be different.

Ah, yes the famous Republican appointment in Roberts worked out so well for you, eh? Until principled candidates are nominated there are trivial practical differences between Republican and Democrat appointments. Generally, they are all big government statists and will expand governments powers at every turn. Otherwise, it's just details of how the accomplish it.