Virginia Gun Owners Forum - VGOF

dorminWS wrote:So your vote for the 3rd party guy instead of Romney as the next best choice or lesser of two evils or however you choose to characterize it may well put a socialist redistributionist @sshole who is hostile to gun rights and all our other dearest values and who doesn't have to worry any more about getting re-elected back in the White House with absolutely no hope of gaining you anything that you want to see happen (except that you voted for whoever it was).

Until I got to the underlined, I thought you were talking about Romney as governor of Massachusetts...

dorminWS wrote:Insults? I thought I was stating facts and my opinions. If what I said insults you I am sorry, but perhaps I should be at least a little bit glad that you care what I think at all. After all, it is only my opinion accompanied by a few pretty-much undeniable facts. I'll take the fact that you took offense as the cold comfort of a tacit admission by you that there is some merit to what I say but you're going to ignore it.

First, what you said was intentionally inflamatory so don't back away from it. Own it like Romneycare, his MA anti-gun stances, etc. Second, I wasn't insulted because I expect nothing less from either of the parties drones. Democrat leaning forums with their drones say the same stuff. Your going to cost Obama the election!!! Utter nonsense from both sides.

Be honest, have you ever voted anything besides Republican in a Presidential race? I suspect you would vote R no matter who they put up.

ShotgunBlast wrote:

SpanishInquisition wrote:

ShotgunBlast wrote:...Romney already has a track record of gun control measures while maintaining an executive position...

YEAH! 'cuz we all know what he did the last time he was President of the US!.

...waitaminute...

No, but if supporters are going to laud his accomplishments as governor and say how that will scale on a national level and bring our country to new prosperity, it's only fair to look some of the not so good things that may also scale to a national level.

Exactly.

gunderwood wrote:Second, I wasn't insulted because I expect nothing less from either of the parties drones. Democrat leaning forums with their drones say the same stuff. Your going to cost Obama the election!!! Utter nonsense from both sides.

lol I hear that too. That's how I know when I'm right where I want to be when I get blasted by my conservative friends for being too liberal and I get blasted by my liberal friends for being too conservative.

gunderwood wrote:Be honest, have you ever voted anything besides Republican in a Presidential race? I suspect you would vote R no matter who they put up.

Judging by how people say they will vote for a sack of potatoes or a ham sandwich over Obama, I'm afraid that mentality is more widespread then you might think.



Now that OBL got snuffed the Republicans need a new boogyman to keep the base in a frenzy. They got a good decade using "terrorism" to get everyone riled up. I guess "socialism" is the new "terrorism". See how many election cycles they can get out of that.

The Romneybot 3000 signing those anti-gun bills may reflect his personal convictions or may simply reflect the fact he caved to the overwhelmingly anti-gun liberal Masshole legislators, perhaps in the spirit of the bipartisanship he mentioned 30 times in the debate.

Either way was gutless.

I do find it amusing Obama loosened gun laws(amtrak, national parks, and foreign export) and is the gun grabber, while the guy that tightened them is the Savior.

Lets be honest, Obama blows, but a gun grabber he aint. The biggest one in his pack went back Illinois to run Shitcago further into the ground.

Gun control hasn't come up yet, but you know both of them will support "common sense regulations" anyway should it come up. I'd like to see more Tea Partier types in Congress to prevent that from happening irregardless of who wins.

So Kreutz, you're claiming that Obama publicly asked some Reps and Senators to sponsor a bill to relax gun restrictions, and then happily signed a bill with smiling officials from NSSF and NRA standing around his desk? Is that what he did?

Or did he sign an omnibus spending bill or increase in the debt limit authorization in which this was one of hundreds of provisions and he had no choice?

Which was it?

It's really annoying when people (such as you) post such intellectually dishonest BS and then expect to be treated as legitimate participants in the conversation.

FiremanBob wrote:So Kreutz, you're claiming that Obama publicly asked some Reps and Senators to sponsor a bill to relax gun restrictions, and then happily signed a bill with smiling officials from NSSF and NRA standing around his desk? Is that what he did?

Or did he sign an omnibus spending bill or increase in the debt limit authorization in which this was one of hundreds of provisions and he had no choice?

Which was it?

It's really annoying when people (such as you) post such intellectually dishonest BS and then expect to be treated as legitimate participants in the conversation.

Ah, but but were he the MOST BIG EVIUL GUN GRUBBER IN TEH W0RLD he would have held all that up just to prevent loosening even one bit of gun control no?

The blatant truth is Obama is just as middling on guns as Romney, why does that bother you so much? Because it defies the mantra the GOP has worked so hard to build up from day one? That Obama will stop at nothing to grab our guns?

If you really think a Prez Romney will abstain from signing "common sense" bills into law you're the partisan hack I think you are showing yourself to be instead of the rational adult you actually are. I'm not saying Prez Obama wouldn't do it either, but both of them would do it should it come across their desk.


I don't think a Prez Obama or Prez Romeny would AGGRESSIVELY push for that to happen; Obama is too political to damn his party second term or not, and Romney would want a second term so he wouldn't do it...bottom line I stand by we need to focus on the House/Senate in terms of keeping gun freedoms...not the WH since either major candidate is gonna suck on guns.

OakRidgeStars wrote:

Great meme!

Howdy, Y'all,

My lifetime covers about half a century. In that time, the Republicans have put forth the following slate of presidential candidates:

1960 - Richard Nixon
1964 - Barry Goldwater
1968 - Richard Nixon
1972 - Richard Nixon
1976 - Gerald Ford
1980 - Ronald Reagan
1984 - Ronald Reagan
1988 - George HW Bush
1992 - George HW Bush
1996 - Robert Dole
2000 - George W Bush
2004 - George W Bush
2008 - John McCain
2012 - Mitt Romney

Has even one of these men been any better than a lackluster supporter of our constitutional liberties in general, not to mention our freedom to keep and bear arms? Perhaps only the list of Democrats is less inspiring:

1960 - John Kennedy
1964 - Lyndon Johnson
1968 - Hubert Humphrey
1972 - George McGovern
1976 - Jimmy Carter
1980 - Jimmy Carter
1984 - Walter Mondale
1988 - Michael Dukakis
1992 - Bill Clinton
1996 - Bill Clinton
2000 - Al Gore
2004 - John Kerry
2008 - Barak Obama
2012 - Barak Obama

One of the few things that Romney and I agree on is his assertion that 47% of the vote will go to Obama no matter what. The other side of the coin is that another 47% will go to Romney no matter what. Thus, both candidates are pandering to that 6% that can be swayed. As long as Republicans can take our support for granted, nothing is going to change for us. We have got to stop waiting for for a better candidate to come along, and make them give us candidates we can support without holding our collective noses. We have that power. We proved it in 1994, and they haven't forgot.

Insanity has been described as doing the same thing over and over with the expectation of a different result. As supporters of freedom, and the freedom to keep and bear arms in particular, we have got to change the way we think about the future. Thinking long term does not mean being worried about Obama's appointments to the Supreme Court. America survived his predecessors, and we will survive Obama. No, we should be thinking about the America that we are passing on to our children, and to their children. Will they bless us for saving them from another four years of Obama by electing Romney in his stead? I have my doubts.

Regards,

George

Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan were outstanding champions of constitutional rights. The others, not so much.

That is why it is so important for the Tea Party to complete its takeover of the GOP.