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joeshmo wrote:False Shmiv. Krud has dragged me into this accusing me of being fish. See his above post? Rather than debating krudtz goes for the personal attack. He serves no purpose except to create conflict on this site. He is entiltled to his opinion but jumps down everyones neck the second they post period!!

I disagree with Kreutz all the time. He has never issued a personal attack on me. Most of us disagree with Kreutz regularly. Outside of a little spat with another member (in which they apparently made up and forgave each other in short order) Kreutz really hasn't been in the middle of any drama until Fish showed up.

Yes, I see that Kreutz believes you both to be the same person. Myself, I find it to be more likely that you and Fish are friends, but I don't know for certain, and don't particularly care.

I've said before, and I will say again, even when I disagree with Kreutz, his contrary position does cause me to re-examine various issues, and that is a good thing.

fair enough..... But the paraniod kruetz needs to get the idea out of his head me and fish are the same person... And he has done nothing but created conflict. He is nothing but a troll period. I have read quite a few threads he has mentioned me and never commented on on the topic. He needs to move on....... And be banned. The owner of this site can easily see my IP address and fishes and see they are not the same.

Look y'all Kruetz is from NY, the mindset up ther is entirely different then suburban VA and light years away from rural VA. He reminds me of my liberal Italian relatives. Likes to argue, and as liberal as the day is long. Be patient, he has overcome a ton to simply be a gun owner. He is here in Virginia now, give it time. .

Additionally he has a newborn which keeps one up late at night and makes one testy.

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And why should I care when he brings me into his problems????????????????? This is not NY and I could care less if he just became a gun owner amongst his other problems. Don't preach it to me

You his wife?

Not at all, and Kruetz and I have had many verbal sparring matches. Check out a few threads we have gone round and round. So I say debate all you like, but it is always better to debate on facts rather than ad-hominen rounds of insults.


I am married to Chris, and my DH is extremely conservative. He just did not start out that way, so I understand the mindset a little. Chris mostly lurks here.

Why should you care, no reason in paricular. But you are here debating him. If he bothers you so much ignore him and move on.

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He can do anything he wants till he starts coveting my private parts and accusing me of genetic deformaties. There are places on the web where he can fulfill his appetites away from decent people.

I have a Son who also frequents this site and he should not be exposed to kreutzers homosexual slander of his father! That's way beyond what should be allowed here! He asked me "dad why does that guy pretend you're a homosexual, and say you have genetic issues, just because you're standing up for what you believe in? Yes that tightens my jaw decent folk! He hasn't been on since.

The yankee yanker's got a chip on his shoulder the size of Texas and expects to deport himself like a low life. He's free to worship liberalism as he obviously does and no one is forcing anything on him. My sin in his eyes is being Christian, conservative, and a friend of Israel.

I NEVER attack first!

But people I wouldn't be real proud of the feeling my son got about gun folk from that son of a B!

What do you not understand? He has accused me of being fish and called me his "sock puppet", is it that hard for you to understand? If you did not care why are you commenting? Preach it to your buddy krudze not me.... You talk about debating facts, well email you bud and tell him the same thing.

Im not debating a thing, just stating facts. You should do yourself a favor and read a few other threads before you comment..

Let me understand this.

Homosexual slander and genetic slander are ok here? All because you're an unapologetic Christian, conservative, and friend of Israel?

And.....because I'm a conservative Christian I have to absorb that crap and not point out his lunacy????? Why the heck is that!

Better warn your sons and daughters.

Good folk this double standard has stood for FAR TOO LONG! We MUST END IT!

Stand up for what you believe or eventually you'll lose every freedom you have. His ilk won't hesitate to take away your liberty if there's one Obama buck to be made at YOUR EXPENSE!!!

Never mind joe.

The guy's so ate up with himself he's deliusional to the point of saying we're one person....logging on and off ....

INSANE!

joeshmo wrote:What do you not understand? He has accused me of being fish and called me his "sock puppet", is it that hard for you to understand? If you did not care why are you commenting? Preach it to your buddy krudze not me.... You talk about debating facts, well email you bud and tell him the same thing.

Im not debating a thing, just stating facts. You should do yourself a favor and read a few other threads before you comment..

Quite honestly I was talking to all looking at the thread including Kruetz. I don't know where the fighting between yall started, but it has been hot and angry of late.

My main point was back where someone said "it's a NY thing" or something to that effect. That just because a person starts off a liberal one does not have to stay a liberal. I have seen people change their mind about politics before, even New Yorkers.

I do not like in the least the innuendo that has gone on because as Ratherfish has pointed out children can and do access this forum. If they have to blush when they read something here, in my book, that is not a good thing.

Well, you should have looked a bit harder... Did I ever say it was a NY thing? NO. See this is the problem, you commented on something you had no idea about. Heated? Yes because your bud krud brought me into this on other thread. Now please look back at other threads before you choose to comment yet again. And lets face it, it must be a NY thing read kruds posts....

Mamabear, from what I've seen we mostly agree on things.

Consider that liberals tend to push things two steps over the line and declare victory with profanity or base inuendo, while respectable conservative ladies blush, their husbands quietly fume, and our children see us as not responding to attacks on what we believe.

The time is here to stand up to them and fill the void in their craniums with the facts.

I love a heated debate as mush as anyone but homosexual inuendo and taunting genetic defects are well over the line!

I am a menber of the IWLA and several other gun related orginizations and have found Gun folk generally good, level headed people. I don't hesitate to expose my children and grandchildren to them. This guy's way off the deep end.

You know Joeshmo, this is a large forum. I read those threads that interest me. I tend to think of each thread as a separate conversation, and I try to not interweave them. I don't really have the time to read every thread around here. I do try to read all the posts on a particular thread when I comment, and I don't think I have been off base in what I have said. In this, I have said my piece, my bone to pick in this thread was not with you.

Ratherfish, I am sure you and I do see eye to eye. Sometimes it is good to be firm. And the innuendo is well over the line.

As far as being off the deep end, we have a few resident liberals on this board. Kruetz is one of them. Maybe well convert a one or two.

Have a good evening yall. It is late and I have church in the AM.

joeshmo wrote:...The owner of this site can easily see my IP address and fishes and see they are not the same.

i'm not saying you're one and the same, but different ip addresses accessing the forum prove nothing. it's not even difficult to completely anonymize one's routing from origin to destination.

just sayin'...

Well mama bear, im sorry if I offended you tonight and do apologize. See over the last few days krud has accused me of things that are false. I do understand this is a large forum and you probally have not read it all. From my side I have been personally attacked by him when I never even commented on a post nor had interest. When a person says "well he is not a bad guy ect.." I do take offense. Again, I am sorry if Iashed out at you and/or offended you.

mk4 wrote:

joeshmo wrote:...The owner of this site can easily see my IP address and fishes and see they are not the same.

i'm not saying you're one and the same, but different ip addresses accessing the forum prove nothing. it's not even difficult to completely anonymize one's routing from origin to destination.

just sayin'...

You are kidding right? Would you like to take this any further?

@joe...
nope, not kidding and not taking anything anywhere. just making a point that different logged ip addresses at the destination don't disprove same origin. that's it.

Im not trying to start yet another issue. MK4. What I was getting at was the stuff krud started on this thread and others against me. You are right, I could use the onion router and bounce a IP address 50 times a second or something similar but I dont unlike what krud has accused me of. The fact is krud has gone too far with his post, attacked other posters for disagreeing with him and Im sick of it.

@joe...
so, push the 'report post' button or pm the mods or forum owner. i know for a fact that they do respond to feedback. or put him on ignore and enjoy other discussions on the forum.

you do have some options, other than relentless back-and-forth... the choice is yours.

peace.

I fully understand MK the options I have. Regardless If I report it to a mod or admin they will see this regardless and make their own dicision. The main thing is krutze is obsessed with myself and fish. He has stooped to the lowest form with homosexual no-stop comments and acussed me and others of some outlandish things. It has gotten to the point were his post are just plain old weird. He chooses not to debate but rather attack and put others on the defence from the get go on every post he comments on.