Why We Need to Welcome Liberals to the Cause of the 2A

[dorminWS]

I think everybody has some libertarian leanings, and most of us who embrace gun ownership and are inclined toward independence and self-sufficiency to the extent discussion here indicates have significant libertarian views. In fact, it has occurred to me that it is primarily having been "raised right" by being dragged on a weekly basis to a strict, straight-laced small church by our parents that constrains not a few of us from embracing libertarianism completely. The idea of the government keeping its nose out of citizens' business appeals intellectually, but we just can't get comfortable with the "sin" it would permit; and/or the bad outcomes it would lead to. But deep down, we feel it ought not be the goverment's role to interfere with what people elect to do with their lives and bodies. Bottom line, I guess, is that NOBODY is 100% ANYTHING. We all have some leanings in every direction (conservative, liberal, libertarian) at the same time. In fact, it just might be that the ultimate tyranny is that some bluenosed buttwipe (or group thereof) somewhere at some time established these neat little buckets with the aforementioned labels for all of us to choose amongst and then abide by all the consequences and implications that flow from that.

Hmmmm ...... I'm griping about some fairly esoteric stuff today. Guess I must have a pretty bad case of the red@ss today. Maybe I ort to sign off before I strain something.

[Mindflayer]

Hmmmm ...... I'm griping about some fairly esoteric stuff today. Guess I must have a pretty bad case of the red@ss today. Maybe I ort to sign off before I strain something.

Nah, keep going! I like this fired up dorminWS.

[SHMIV]

The idea of the government keeping its nose out of citizens' business appeals intellectually, but we just can't get comfortable with the "sin" it would permit; and/or the bad outcomes it would lead to. But deep down, we feel it ought not be the goverment's role to interfere with what people elect to do with their lives and bodies.

You just hit the nail square on the head.

[Kreutz]

Dormin is referring to our nations still Puritan undercurrent collective unconscious...HL Mencken railed against it against it constantly from his Baltimore soapbox, yet it remains strong as ever.

[ratherfish]

Most progressives "rail" against anything that's moral.

Mencken is the progressives patron saint.

I figure if he was really on the ball, he woldn't have lived in Baltimore!

Man I get tired of those faculty lounge lizzard term's like the "collective unconcious", just another excuse for not taking responsability for your choices, or blaming others for taking a moral position.....

[Mindflayer]

What a load of bull.

You mean we should live our lives like American Conservative Union favorite (96/100) Larry Craig? Maybe conservative minister Larry Haggard? Maybe skirt chaser and sexual harassment boss Herman Cain?

Troll on, little troll. Troll on.

[ratherfish]

Now THAT'S a load of bull!

But typical.

Now did I compare YOU to Bwaney Fwank?


Obviously a Mencken mind-meld.

[Mindflayer]

I didn't compare you to my examples. I pointed them out as examples of moral decay on the conservative side. Once again, you restore to ad hominem attacks when you can't parrot those one liners you heard on the radio.

Secondly, it is pretty clear you still don't understand my politics. I'm not a left wing ultra-liberal nor an ultra-right wing neo-conservative.

Actions speak louder than demagoguery and the political leaders are full of the latter.

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[Mindflayer]

Oh I forgot to add:

Troll on, little troll. Troll on.

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[Kreutz]

What a load of bull.

You mean we should live our lives like American Conservative Union favorite (96/100) Larry Craig? Maybe conservative minister Larry Haggard? Maybe skirt chaser and sexual harassment boss Herman Cain?

Troll on, little troll. Troll on.

Man, thats a very small sampling of Good Moral Americans who aren't.

Wonder why they're always Republicans getting caught up in various sexual deviancies?

[ratherfish]

What a load of bull.

You mean we should live our lives like American Conservative Union favorite (96/100) Larry Craig? Maybe conservative minister Larry Haggard? Maybe skirt chaser and sexual harassment boss Herman Cain?

Troll on, little troll. Troll on.

Man, thats a very small sampling of Good Moral Americans who aren't.

Wonder why they're always Republicans getting caught up in various sexual deviancies?

That's too too EASY!

Because the sold out liberal media actually reports the truth when a CONSEVATIVE sinns.

Unlike John Edwards who the liberal press fawned over foryears witnessing his sin and NEVER SAID A WORD!!!!!


It took the National Enquirer.....LOL!

[ratherfish]

Oh I forgot to add:

Troll on, little troll. Troll on.

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I'd submit that the progressive on a good conservative gun board were the "trolls"!

Is an ad homonum attack like if I accused you for being a lousey progressive?

hmmmm don't think i did that!

Back to the topic; I think we should keep perfectly quiet about guns to liberals...

More meat to keep the zombies occupied before they have to work for it by coming after the conservative gun folk!

[Mindflayer]

I'd submit that the progressive on a good conservative gun board were the "trolls"!

I don't recall Rick ever posting that his forums were for conservatives only. It is the Virginia Gun Owners Forum, not the Virginia Conservative Gun Owners Forum. Rick (allingeneral) can correct me if I am wrong. It seems to me that the forum is geared to Virginia folks interested in preserving their 2A rights.

Is an ad homonum attack like if I accused you for being a lousey progressive?

Your "typo" is rather sophomoric. You're too passive to do it directly, but the Mencken mind-meld comment pretty much lays it out. Troll on, little troll, troll on.

Back to the topic; I think we should keep perfectly quiet about guns to liberals...

More meat to keep the zombies occupied before they have to work for it by coming after the conservative gun folk!

If we only convince the right-leaning of our fellow Americans that owning guns is a right and should not be infringed, we will lose. With Obama stocking up the SCOTUS, we need every person we can to join in. We absolutely need the left-leaning to join us in understanding the guaranteed right to bear arms. Diplomacy, tact, and education is the way to go.

Over the last couple of years, I've done my part and convinced some formerly anti-gun folks that owning guns doesn't mean you're the nut case the media paints you to be. I've taken them shooting, ensured they had a safe, fun time, and then used that to teach them about guns, and the danger in thinking the government will protect you. A couple of them are now gun-owning NRA members. Interestingly with that shift, they have become much more libertarian in view.

[ratherfish]

I appreciate your work in educating the gay community.... More is needed. Fact is the American hunter/gun owners are a members of the largest standing army on the face of the earth and I doubt if any degree of progressive angst will allow them to be un-gunned. owever, Obama the liar could.

I've met few die hard progressives with the mentality necissary to be trusted with a firearm...though there are exceptions as always. Most are simply too afraid....of themselves. They hire thugs like Obama and Bloomturd do.

The zombie comment was a joke....sorry I offended the zombiemaster.

"Your "typo" is rather sophomoric. You're too passive to do it directly, but the Mencken mind-meld comment pretty much lays it out. Troll on, little troll, troll on."

Maybe if I was just a "gold" Christian I could meet your expectations!

Anyone ever tell you you write exactly like kreutz in form and phrase???

Lastly,
No one ever said your opinion wasn't allowed here. That's why I never call for anyone to be put on "ignoe" or encourage others to "ignore". Exclusionism is the method of the progressive, not the conservative. I merely ascert that MY opinion is that you publish progressive tripe on a largely conservative forum. Then call ME the troll!

As an inbred warmongering, uneducated, bigoted, son ofthe south, i need your superior intellect to rightly define for me the term "ad hominum attack".... k?

[Mindflayer]

I don't think I am too progressive. I don't like Obamacare, I despise quotas, etc. etc.

Mostly just don't want the government, churches, or my politically correct neighbors sticking their noses in my business. I try to extend that desire to cover other folks, so I may seem more accepting than others. All comes down to people caring about their fellow Americans without trying to dictate to me based on some perceived intellectual or moral high ground.

Hey, now if you need a mixed race, hawkish, military brat son of a hillbilly to educate you, we got some real problems.

[ratherfish]

OH GOOD!


"Bloodninja: I meditate to regain my mana, before casting Lvl 8 Penis of the
Infinite.
BritneySpears14: Funny I still don’t see it."


Thought I was facing the Lvl 8 Penis of the infinite!

[Mindflayer]

OH GOOD!


"Bloodninja: I meditate to regain my mana, before casting Lvl 8 Penis of the
Infinite.
BritneySpears14: Funny I still don’t see it."


Thought I was facing the Lvl 8 Penis of the infinite!

I'm still putting on my robe and wizard hat.

[SpanishInquisition]

You again! I told you to never PM me again!

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