Why We Need to Welcome Liberals to the Cause of the 2A

[Mindflayer]

VCDL's newsletter email today has CowboyT's OP as a bullet item. I still agree with CowboyT - we need to teach folks that being socially liberal doesn't mean you should be anti-gun.

[SHMIV]

Maybe the hippies would feel better about guns if they had models with VW emblems and peace signs.

[ZipDrive]

I'm considered a liberal, and you better believe that I back the 2A. And plenty of people that I've talked to on the subject see that you don't have to fly the republican flag (not that I fly the democrat one either) to be a gun owner.

I don't eat anything that walks on land, yet I love to go target shooting and am contemplating going for my CC when I graduate college. Go figure.

[ratherfish]

Do you love shooting enough to vote against a liberal leftist President who will take it away from you?

Or do you love the ideology more that that freedom?

[ZipDrive]

I love it enough to vote against Obama, if that's what you're asking. Ain't gonna vote for Romney either. Still gonna vote.



The thing is, I fall in the green area, closer to the center.

[WRW]

The vertical center axis line on that graph should be about five spaces to the right of Romney

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[dorminWS]

Barack Obama right of center? Son, you need a new chart!

Besides, like it or not, a vote for anybody but Romney in this coming election IS a vote for Obama.

[Mindflayer]

I don't know why people think if you say you're a liberal and not a Democrat, they still automatically assume you love Obama.

I find a lot of people that say they are liberal are actually libertarians. They support issues that the right side of the propaganda machine (read: media and news) says are liberal. At the same time, a lot of libertarians support issues that the left side of the propaganda machine (read: media and news) says are conservative. Fact is, these folks want the government, churches, and other people to stay out of their business.

With that in mind, no, I don't like Obama's policies. (Please don't give me the "He's a moderate, he hasn't done X, Y, Z." He simply hasn't had the political capital to enact his policies.) I am not a big fan of the GOP nowadays, either. We really need a strong challenge to the duopolistic stranglehold on this nation.

[ZipDrive]

I thought y'all would like that chart.

Also, Mindflayer, you and I are on the same wavelength here.

[WRW]

Them that mislabel themselves confuse those that attempt to understand their political stance. To whom do you assign fault for that confusion?

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[Mindflayer]

Them that mislabel themselves confuse those that attempt to understand their political stance. To whom do you assign fault for that confusion?

Good point. To be clear, I don't label myself as "liberal". I'll say something like, "I do not care if gay people get married. In fact, make them get married since it irks me that 'domestic partners' qualify for insurance at work, but 'fiancée' does not," and people will say, "Oh, pro-gay marriage, must be liberal, anti-gun, and Democrat."

Also, the term liberal was changed in meaning so many times and means so many things. Really, conservative and liberal probably should not be used any more as a single label.

[WRW]

So you are an algebraic, since all things must be equal?

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[ratherfish]

As long as Christianity exists sinners will be judged. Christ only offers redemption from that judgement.

Liberals would change the names....it won't matter.

Their fight is with God.

"There are two types of people, those who say; Thy will be done , and those to whom God says; thy will be done."

-C.S.Lewis

[Mindflayer]

Why does it seem every time you post you make a concerted effort to proclaim your faith and judge others? It's tiresome and not at all the behavior of a gold Christian - at least not what I was taught.

Seriously, not every topic is about YOUR faith. Sometimes it about just politics or just guns.

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[ratherfish]

Don't hate!

Might consider why it bothers you so much.

We're ALL sinners... but you seem to take it on yourself to judge my Christianity by your own personal "gold" standard. These are opinions. Many anti-christians confer their "statements of faith" in every post here.. masked as opinions. Why would you not allow me to do the same?

"There are two types of people, those who say; Thy will be done , and those to whom God says; thy will be done."

-C.S.Lewis

Or should non-gold Chrisatian quotes be purged too?

[Mindflayer]

Don't hate!

Might consider why it bothers you so much.

Gold was a typo. That should be obvious to all but the most dimly witted.

Your passive aggressive attitude about "sinners" and asking why it bothers people so much when they question any opinion you have is tiresome. It's elitist. It's judgmental. Moreover, if you want to equate liberalism with sinning and beliefs not compatible with your take on Judeo-Christian systems, then start a new thread. This thread is about politics and 2A, not your desire to throw stones.

I'm not the one filled with hate. If your faith is as strong as you proclaim, you wouldn't need to defend it so fervently.

Politics is a public issue, since we choose our public representatives. I don't talk about my faith here, since it's a personal matter. That said, I have a deep faith that some posters here disagree with, and yet I don't feel a need to paste labels and toss rocks.

Now, back to the topic at hand:

I took a couple of hardcore Obama supporters out shooting earlier this year, and have been talking to them just about 2A issues over those months. On that topic alone, they are not going to vote for Obama, but feel stuck, since they don't want to vote for Romney.

[ratherfish]

I state the facts....and my opinion, and that will offend many. I understand.

I try not do this...
"Gold was a typo. That should be obvious to all but the most dimly witted."
Because I've been informed many times I can't meet this tripe with a toe to toe confrontation. That's only allowed for Non-conservative/ anti-Christian faith posters.

" paste labels and toss rocks." ?
I'd ask you to look down, the "first stone has already left your hand brother.

"Now, back to the topic at hand:

I took a couple of hardcore Obama supporters out shooting earlier this year, and have been talking to them just about 2A issues over those months. On that topic alone, they are not going to vote for Obama, but feel stuck, since they don't want to vote for Romney."

Well.... educate them!
Socialist nare-do-well is pretty far from successfull buisnessman.

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[Mindflayer]

http://www.businessweek.com/printer/art ... un-control

Interesting read, esp. in Business Week.

[WRW]

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Interesting read, esp. in Business Week.

Written by a fellow that has posted here

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[wpoppert]

I don't know why people think if you say you're a liberal and not a Democrat, they still automatically assume you love Obama.

I find a lot of people that say they are liberal are actually libertarians. They support issues that the right side of the propaganda machine (read: media and news) says are liberal. At the same time, a lot of libertarians support issues that the left side of the propaganda machine (read: media and news) says are conservative. Fact is, these folks want the government, churches, and other people to stay out of their business.

With that in mind, no, I don't like Obama's policies. (Please don't give me the "He's a moderate, he hasn't done X, Y, Z." He simply hasn't had the political capital to enact his policies.) I am not a big fan of the GOP nowadays, either. We really need a strong challenge to the duopolistic stranglehold on this nation.

+1. My son is active in the libertarian organization at his school, and often questions people who identify themselves as either conservative or liberal about their views on specific issues. Many of them are actually more libertarian, but he has had greater success in converting liberals than conservatives. I agree that many people just want everyone to mind their own business.