Virginia Gun Owners Forum - VGOF

mk4 wrote:if bullet #3 is rephrased to something like: "- Have had firearm training and demonstrated handgun competence.", it might fit on one line and allow the vgof logo to size larger.

also, you might want to make the bullet point formatting consistent, ex all with a space after the hyphen or all without. or maybe use a traditional bullet point character, ● ■ ♦, etc.

just thoughts...

Still think you should change "by shopping elsewhere" to by going elsewhere.
lots of businesses such as restaurants don't really involve shopping.

Also, why say "for your convenience?" Why not just say your business will be added to the published listing of firearm unfriendly businesses in Virginia.

Jake, I don't want to seem cantankerous, but I would like to see this done effectively. Put yourself in the place of the store owner, and someone hands me a card that says he's going elsewhere and I'm losing his business and he's going to put me on some list. Well, I've already lost that guy, so what is this list? Is it some private poop (by the way, my submission did not use "poop," nice censoring software on here!) list he's got, or what? So I Google "Firearm Unfriendly Businesses in Virginia" and what pops up first? VCDL at http://www.vcdl.org/static/gue.html. Unfortunately, the second hit is VGOF, which has no list, just a bunch of posts, which the store owner might read, or not, but if he does the posts on here aren't probably going to be very compelling for him to change his policy. What does he care about? Bad PR, lost business. He isn't going to see much business lost from looking at either the VCDL or the VGOF sites. Just a bunch of gun nuts. And he won't see much bad PR, because all that bad PR on the list is just being seen by those same gun nuts. The list is preaching to the choir. He is only going to get worried if he sees a list that is getting outside the 2A folks, and being seen by lots of people....like maybe Tea Party folks, or all Republicans, or everybody military, etc. Enough people that the rethinks the sign on his door. So what can your card say that worries him? I guess the larger question is, how to get support outside our small community for that list of unfriendlies?

Jakeiscrazy wrote:

mk4 wrote:if bullet #3 is rephrased to something like: "- Have had firearm training and demonstrated handgun competence.", it might fit on one line and allow the vgof logo to size larger.

also, you might want to make the bullet point formatting consistent, ex all with a space after the hyphen or all without. or maybe use a traditional bullet point character, ● ■ ♦, etc.

just thoughts...

Fixed all of that but the bullet thing. Unfortunately GIMP has a really horrible text editor and it doesn't have bullets so I'm kinda stuck there.

would it work to just to select and copy one of the three i included and then past into the text fields in gimp? i'm not familiar with it.

Chasbo00 wrote:I suggest using these words... Your business will be added to a published listing of Virginia businesses unfriendly to citizens lawfully carrying handguns for personal defense.

It also occurs to me that the card should have a provision for the business owner to get off the list should he change his policy. For example, should you change your prohibition against lawful citizen handgun carry, please call this number xxxxxx to have your business removed from the unfriendly businesses listing.

Jakeiscrazy wrote:

NewColonial wrote:mentally incompetent ?

Yup, http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504 ... .2-308.1C2

meak99 wrote:I think it should read "legally incompetent or mentally incapacitated" .... not metally incompetent.

dorminWS wrote:I would suggest that a good way to increase the impact of these cards on the merchant is to make sure that whenever one is used, word goes out to folks on this forum and as wide a community as possible and that those folks make it a point to also go there and hand them a card. If those cards start showing up regularly, it will be a lot less likely that the manager will dismiss it as "just one gun nut".

SHMIV wrote:

dorminWS wrote:I would suggest that a good way to increase the impact of these cards on the merchant is to make sure that whenever one is used, word goes out to folks on this forum and as wide a community as possible and that those folks make it a point to also go there and hand them a card. If those cards start showing up regularly, it will be a lot less likely that the manager will dismiss it as "just one gun nut".

That's a great idea.

dorminWS wrote:

meak99 wrote:I think it should read "legally incompetent or mentally incapacitated" .... not metally incompetent.

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Tricky wording.
A 17-year-old GENIUS is legally incompetent, but not mentally incapacitated.

tursiops wrote:

dorminWS wrote:

meak99 wrote:I think it should read "legally incompetent or mentally incapacitated" .... not metally incompetent.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Tricky wording.
A 17-year-old GENIUS is legally incompetent, but not mentally incapacitated.

I would use EXACTLY the wording in the law...shorted, if necessary, but not changed.