Election results thread

[MarcSpaz]

Sure you can... And I have. I could be wrong about this... but last I heard, it was illegal for you to be stopped or detained without probable cause. And refusing to participate in a random DNA capture on the side of the road is not probable cause.

Every single time I have ever been stopped by the police, walking, driving or otherwise, the very first think I say is "why am I being stopped?" I they say anything other than I was suspected of a crime because of complaint or they witnessed some action I may have taken, I tell them that if I am not being detained I am on my way. I have never had a problem with it before and I sure as hell wouldn't put up with it in the United States.

The only exception to this ever.. twice in my life I was driving down the street late at night and I was pulled over because the LEO's involved thought I had a cool car and asked me if I had time to BS about the car. On both occasions I laughed about it and hung out for a few minutes seeing if I was making a new friend or not. Still... hitting the lights for a BS session isn't exactly within the scope of authority. I could have been a jerk about that too.

[GeneFrenkle]

Check Desposito v. Commonwealth, I believe.

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[MarcSpaz]

That's a bad example. The guy was stopped at a checkpoint and was arrested after failing to present a driver's license, then found to be driving on a suspended license, which was suspended for habitual violations.

Also, I didn't say I would be completely uncooperative. I think random roadside checkpoints should be generally outlawed. They say it is in the interest of public safety, but anyone who sees the checkpoint, know they are doing something wrong and has an option to bailout, they will. That aside, I will present my papers at a routine checkpoint if asked. But if after presenting evidence of being a legal driver, unless there is probable cause... we're done.

[GeneFrenkle]

I believe the court found that unbounded checkpoints are unlawful, but those under public safety that were nonspecific to a person were lawful. That permits the "safety stops" where police can set roadblocks and check license, registration, insurance and seatbelt (child safety seats, too).

Point being, it is difficult to tell whether or not one has encoumtered a legitimate stop vs an unlawful one until one is already in the midst of it.

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[MarcSpaz]

Ah... Now I see what you mean. Yes, that can be hard to determine when there is a police force present. So many people are naive to their right too.

[GeneFrenkle]

> So many people are naive to their right, too.

You hit the nail on the head, brother.

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[Remek]

Let me clear this up. They do have a right to ask for your driver's license if you are driving. Driving is a privilege. They do not have a right to detain you more than is required to check your license and give you a ticket if its not a felony.

You do not have to answer any questions though, unless you are "being detained"; and then, if they ask, you tell them you want to talk to your attorney first. Its a difficult thing to describe, but you are detained any time you are stopped. However, unless they are suspecting YOU of a crime, they cannot stop you more than to check your license and car registration, etc. If they are suspecting you of a crime, the detainment will be longer and, they will let you know anyway.

Therefore, if they haven't let you know, STHU. I am serious about that one. STHU! You answer questions as has been said above, "am I being detained?", and "am I free to go". I've got a GREAT video that will help you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

Trust me, if you think this video is too long, and you don't want to watch, you are being stupid. Unless you know this stuff already, you are going to be surprised.

Then go check up on the road stops near the border and how people go through them without answering questions on youtube too. Its worth it. fish around, you will learn a lot.

[Remek]

also, never give permission to search your car. they will just do it if they have the cause.

In fact, it would behoove you to get every person in your family to watch it, if they are old enough to understand of being questioned by an officer.

[vaeevictiss]

So if they pull you over and it is unlawful, and you tell them you are done and on your way, are you saying you just drive off?

I always figured the cops would give chase if you did that.

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[Remek]

No. You have to ask if you are free to leave.

Heres a youtube video of a stop. Note: he used the phone video camera, make sure you do too.

There are degrees too. I think this guy's a bit confrontational, but every point he has in there is gold.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwYBshAScmE

[ratherfish]

Wanna follow up on that Texas story JC77? Do the Paul Harvey and tell the rest of the story. I can bring up half a dozen instances of stupid law enforcement in the good ol Old Dominion in the past year.

Maybe tell a little about the Texas "shield" legislation that keeps you from being sued to bankrupsy for shooting a thug in your house?

I won't miss the quizzlings.

[JC77]

Wanna follow up on that Texas story JC77? Do the Paul Harvey and tell the rest of the story. I can bring up half a dozen instances of stupid law enforcement in the good ol Old Dominion in the past year.

Maybe tell a little about the Texas "shield" legislation that keeps you from being sued to bankrupsy for shooting a thug in your house?

I won't miss the quizzlings.

What will happen to Texas when the Republicans cave on Immigration Reform? You know they will. That's about the only thing I got against Texas. It will flip blue long before SC, TN and ND, and especially so if the Republicans cave in to IR like the establishment national want to.

As far as The Blaze article, it is something everyone should be aware of. Big Gubment are going to push the line in EVERY state, county and town. Texas just happened to be the place in question in that article.

[rlbellco72]

I lived in Texas for 6 years and as much as I like Texas, it has it's anti's as well. Believe me when I say it isn't what it seems to be anymore.

Also, check out this video: http://www.guns.com/2013/11/22/dashcam- ... fle-video/

[ratherfish]

Free choice brothers until they take away the ability to vote with our legs.

I was born and raised there and it's time to go back. When I decided to move to Virginia the reaction from Texans was; Don't let the door hit ya in the azz.

Never heard a Texan react like you folks saying it didn't matter and they're all the same anyway and Virginia has this problem and that problem....

Just like in the elections....how about that.

Seems to be an attitude thing.

[GeneFrenkle]

Sounds good, rather. enjoy your move to texas. good luck and God bless.

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[SHMIV]

Usually, when I hear folks saying they are going to do something, over and over and over again, it seems that they are trying to convince themselves to do it.

Fish, you wanna go back to Texas, go ahead. At this point, we ALL know that this is your intent. Nobody is saying that it doesn't matter; but it has been pointed out that no state is perfect. But, if Texas suits you better than Virginia, go for it.

Go with God. May your days be free, and your ventures profitable.

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[ratherfish]

I was deciding where to retire and the election helped a lot. Forced me to make some decisions I had been postponing and come to terms with the fact that I needed to be closer to relatives that are getting older too. Looking forward to spending time with siblings in a more relaxed environment than youth and hopefully have a few years to enjoy each other.

No State is perfect, especially now. No way I'm going to knuckle under to the statist utopians in the 2+ years I'll remain and I'll actively continue to work against them here. I ask that you forgive the angst at seeing a beautiful and prosperous State like Virginia being battered by progressive against the will of a majority of folks that value freedom and God's gifts that they enjoy.

I hope you find a solution to the Tidewater and Fairfax Co. regions and the cancer that's overcoming you. I'll battle it here as I will battle it in the Houston and Austin areas of Texas. I'm glad they don't hold the electorate ace in the hole that they do here. But then again it's growing like A cancer everywhere.

Some of us will resist in every State.

I'll always love Virginia and cherish the 30+ years I spent raising a large family here. I wish the Commonwealth only the best.