Hero gets fired for using gun to stop robbery

[Tweaker]

Not sure if you two realize it, but you just agreed on something. ?

[zephyp]

It should be intuitively obvious to even the most casual passerby that Carl was merely comparing the likelihood of thugs entering a place of business where large sums of money are kept as opposed to a day care for children where they would only make off with cookies and milk.

I suppose that's all well and good if burgling is the flavor of the day. If we're talking strictly about "thugs".

But what if we aren't? What if we're talking about a disgruntled student or parent or ex-boyfriend/girlfriend? What if the objective is not to engage in thievery but to murder?

My point was more along the lines that the situation should not be used so much to dictate the legitimacy of carry.

See also: the post above this one.

No it shouldnt and my point was that Carl's point was that the point is where alot of cash is is more likely to draw thugs with guns that where there are alot of rugrats is with cookies and milk...but I suppose the point is that it depends on your definition of is...

[Reverenddel]

Dictating actions, laws, and behaviors are different than enacting a company policy.

The owner/board/CEO can come in one day, and say "I want everyone to wear a clown suit.", and that becomes the "law of the land".

When people have to deal with others of a questionable nature (IE: You don't know their intent), or handling large sums of money which is inticing to criminals, carrying a firearm is another level of protection like alarms, door keys, and safety windows.

Having worked late nights, in a pretty much abandoned airpark, with thousands of dollars on my desk, I liked having a .45 ACP sitting on my desk.

I had a locked office, but when seconds count, the police are minutes away.

When it comes to someone with the intent of just flat out killing you? They aren't going for the HARD location, they're gonna get you in the SOFT location.

You getting out of your car, you going to the toilet in a public restroom, you answering your door for a delivery guy.

People that walk into people's employers, and start shooting are a bit twisted any way, and I would like to have a firearm for such an occasion... BUT... overall... how often do events like this happen? Not very.

[wylde007]

People that walk into people's employers, and start shooting are a bit twisted any way, and I would like to have a firearm for such an occasion... BUT... overall... how often do events like this happen? Not very.

The only way that argument can even begin to approach convincing is if "not very" becomes "never".

How often does a deranged lunatic open fire in a crowded restaurant in Texas? Not very.

How often does a disgruntled student methodically assassinate 33 classmates and then take his own life? Not very.

How often does some anti-government wacko who's gone off his meds take a pot shot at a U.S. congresswoman? Not very.

[jrswanson1]

If you work in a day care? Not much need for a firearm, but LARGE sums of cash, or dangerous clientele? I can understand that an exception might need to be made.

Money is more valuable than life?

Public schools are more like daycare centers than anything else and they corral hundred of helpless children and faculty together, depriving them of the ability to defend themselves.

No, that part of your argument needs a little work. I see where you are coming from, but I don't rightly know how you got "here".

Actually, the state of Maryland thinks just this way. If you carry large sums of cash, you get a concealed weapons permit. If it's just your safety, you can pound sand!

In keeping with the theme of this thread, I used to work the graveyard shift at a web hosting company. Due to the economy at the time, the gate guard was only there during "normal" business hours, and I was alone for 9 hours. My boss had no problem with my keeping a shotgun at my desk while I was working there, as some of our clients had sensitive information on their servers, not to mention the amount of money the equipment was worth.

Jim

[Reverenddel]

"The only way that argument can even begin to approach convincing is if "not very" becomes "never"..."

Then by that argument because their is a lake outside my office, I should be wearing a floation device at this very moment.

Good sense dictates when YOU personally feel a firearm is necessary. If I worked in a daycare? Nah so much. Here at work? Nah so much. When I get death threats? Mmmmm, maybe a bit more.

When I'm in my neighborhood? You damn right. Enough crime happens there, that it dictates by good sense, I should arm myself.

[Kreutz]

Actually, the state of Maryland thinks just this way. If you carry large sums of cash, you get a concealed weapons permit. If it's just your safety, you can pound sand!

Funny you mention this, carrying large sums of cash is one of the very few "demonstrated needs" for a concealed carry permit in NY.

[zephyp]

If you work in a day care? Not much need for a firearm, but LARGE sums of cash, or dangerous clientele? I can understand that an exception might need to be made.

Money is more valuable than life?

Public schools are more like daycare centers than anything else and they corral hundred of helpless children and faculty together, depriving them of the ability to defend themselves.

No, that part of your argument needs a little work. I see where you are coming from, but I don't rightly know how you got "here".

Actually, the state of Maryland thinks just this way. If you carry large sums of cash, you get a concealed weapons permit. If it's just your safety, you can pound sand!

In keeping with the theme of this thread, I used to work the graveyard shift at a web hosting company. Due to the economy at the time, the gate guard was only there during "normal" business hours, and I was alone for 9 hours. My boss had no problem with my keeping a shotgun at my desk while I was working there, as some of our clients had sensitive information on their servers, not to mention the amount of money the equipment was worth.

Jim

Yes but the MD CC law is very specific on the money point...you are allowed to carry your gun if and only if you also are carrying the large sum of cash...the only good thing about gun laws in MD is if you are on your own property then you have pretty much carte blanch...

[seeknulfind]

Okay, OSHA first. I'm not clear on what they require but doesn't the "S" in OSHA stand for "Squirrelly?"

Long ago and far away I remember reading the label on a can of black trim paint (I know, I did crazy things like reading labels back in the day). It said "This color approved by OSHA". I couldn't help but wonder if this particular shade of black was safer than some other.

My point is if OSHA regulations forbid cc in the workplace, this needs to be changed. IMO they have no authority in the first place. In the second place, I'll maintain, that even if you can make the case that they DO have the authority then "we the people" need to take it away. Let them go back to approving safe shades of black, or better yet disband them altogether.

As for Walgreen's, well, shame on them. Don't they know we are in the middle of a war on drugs? They are in the middle of the war as a supply line. They need to arm their people. However as a private company, they have the right to do as they see fit. Just as I have the right to say "shame on them" and take my business elsewhere.

When I was in NY, I worked for a tiny AM station. I was only on regularly for 90 minutes a day. Often that was when we were on low power (100 watts) Still, I somehow managed to receive death and other threats to my person as well as tick off NY Emperor, er Governor Mario Cuomo. I was told a couple of years later by the new owner a self-described "close friend" of the Guv, that I "had" to go. My broadcasts were "libelous". (Even though I never once made a single statement of fact that I could not attribute to a printed source.)

My point? We didn't carry large sums of money, didn't have a large staff and most people had no idea where our offices were and yet, even in that mild setting, there were times when a cc permit may have been a useful thing. I don't feel the fact that nothing ever happened doesn't mean there was no danger.

I can think of lots of instances where folks might wish they were carrying in places where they would never dream they'd need protection.

Andy

[wylde007]

Then by that argument because there is a lake outside my office, I should be wearing a flotation device at this very moment.

Once again, a deliberate and total distraction.

Being adjacent to water and wearing a life preserver is nowhere near the same thing as what I said.

A more valid comparison might be if you were out sailing on that lake with a crew of people you do not know and making the assumption that every last one of them is a trustworthy, seasoned mariner, and that through no fault of theirs or your own would you be at risk for falling overboard.

[Pumbaa]

And now 4 people are dead in a NY pharmacy by some junkie with a gun.. I wonder if they were compliant with 'safety' rules?

[tomsp8]

After reading this, and the linked news story, I sent an email to the CEO/President of Walgreens, Greg Wasson, It is my hope that he was unaware of the details of this situation perhaps (sometimes the chief is rediculously separated from occurances like this) and will look into it. I would encourage others to do the same.
I will give him a few days to reply, and if not favorably, this story will soon
be plastered all over Facebook. Believe me, they have people that scan the
web searching for negative news and feedback concerning consumer's
opinions of their company.

http://ceoemailaddress.wordpress.com/ca ... ed/page/4/

[zephyp]

After reading this, and the linked news story, I sent an email to the CEO/President of Walgreens, Greg Wasson, It is my hope that he was unaware of the details of this situation perhaps (sometimes the chief is rediculously separated from occurances like this) and will look into it. I would encourage others to do the same.
I will give him a few days to reply, and if not favorably, this story will soon
be plastered all over Facebook. Believe me, they have people that scan the
web searching for negative news and feedback concerning consumer's
opinions of their company.

http://ceoemailaddress.wordpress.com/ca ... ed/page/4/

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