Virginia Gun Owners Forum - VGOF

As long as our elected officals see the illegals and the ones that are here legally as a large voting block to keep them in office. they are going to do no more then provide us lip service in resolving the issue. I am a strong believer in term limits to get rid of elected officals there for the pay check.

graybeard321 wrote:As long as our elected officals see the illegals and the ones that are here legally as a large voting block to keep them in office. they are going to do no more then provide us lip service in resolving the issue. I am a strong believer in term limits to get rid of elected officals there for the pay check.

I agree with you about the term limits but I disagree on the paycheck thing. It's not about pay it's about POWER

graybeard321 wrote:to get rid of elected officals there for the pay check.

Their salaries are pitiful; its the sweetheart deals that bring in the real $ for them. Dwinter is right though, its mostly power.

As of 2011 $174,000 a year for what is basically a part time job is pretty damn good in my mind. Add the pension, health care and other perqs and its a pretty good package, A lot more than I'd pay them for what they do.

After the killings in Manassas this past weekend and the fact that out of 6 murders in the past 4 months in Manassas, 5 have been committed by illegals, something needs to be done. Just Monday an illegal raped an 8 year old girl here in Manassas. When are we going to get this illegal alien scum out of out communities?

Here is the response from Jackson Miller to the slaughter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMDmTQ06 ... r_embedded


My favorite part of his response is when he says in response to accusations that community policing efforts would make us less safe when deporting criminal illegal aliens, he says, "less safe my ass". Another one who finally gets it.

Kudos to Delegate Miller and thanks for posting. I hope we see some hard pressure from the VA legislature on illegals. And, I hope its not the result of one of them or a family member becoming a victim...let them do it now because members of their constituency are victims...

Kreutz wrote:I'm with proshooter; I was being serious. Landmines are cheap, never sleep, and we have major stockpile of them.

Last I checked they were designed to defend a fixed line against ground invasion....like a border for instance.

Brutal? Not really. When you choose to enter el campo de minas you really should know what to expect. After a few casualties(less than die of dehydration now) they'd stop.

That is so unworkable on several levels.

1.) You do realize that if we were to land-mine that land, then we're land-mining people's property, don't you? Do we just take it from the lawful owners with more of that "eminent domain" garbage that has already cursed us enough times already? And even if it were US Gov't property, what happens when US citizens want to use that land? How do we ensure that we got all the mines up when the time comes to get rid of them (and don't say it won't happen, we didn't like Canada at one point either, remember)?

2.) Suppose we did land-mine US property, either Gov't owned or take people's private property through "eminent domain". The "coyote" smugglers and the drug lords will simply use bulldozers or whatever to set off the land mines in certain paths. Those paths will become well known, and the flood would continue unabated. "Oh, but we can restock those cleared-out paths!", you say. Hah...you think the drug lords won't think of that, too? They will clear paths for themselves and maintain them, even if they have to dig underground tunnels (yes, this has been done for years). The "coyote" smugglers will just pay the drug lords to use their above-ground paths or underground tunnels. Whoops, there goes the usefulness of your minefield.

3.) What will you do when an American child gets blown up by one of those mines by the river? Yeah, I know, the parents are supposed to watch the kids, but every parent knows you can't watch a kid 100% of the time, and chaining a kid to a structure when you're cooking lunch or dinner (or taking a nap) is not what we do in a civilized nation. What would you say to those parents--"too bad, so sad, f___ you"?

No, the proper way to stop the torrent of illegal immigration is to go after the sources of income--the employers. Make sure that strong economic incentive to border-jump isn't there in the first place.

I say we bury an electric fence all along the border. Anyone caught crossing illegally gets fitted with a lifetime collar that cannot be removed. Purpose of the collar? Zaps them with enough juice to make sure they never get across again if they get within 10 meters of the border....

If we go with collars, let's use the ones from Wild Wild West:

Yarddawg wrote:If we go with collars, let's use the ones from Wild Wild West:

ProShooter wrote:How to stop illegals from crossing the border??


An invasion is an invasion, whether its 20,000 at once, or one at a time.

I have friends in the Border Patrol that have escorted the foreign equivalent of our border patrol. They say the same thing - "Your country is being invaded! Shoot!!!".

When I was stationed in San Diego there was an incident where some local skinheads were sniping them as they were crossing the border.

CowboyT wrote: That is so unworkable on several levels.

1.) You do realize that if we were to land-mine that land, then we're land-mining people's property, don't you? Do we just take it from the lawful owners with more of that "eminent domain" garbage that has already cursed us enough times already? And even if it were US Gov't property, what happens when US citizens want to use that land? How do we ensure that we got all the mines up when the time comes to get rid of them (and don't say it won't happen, we didn't like Canada at one point either, remember)?

National security warrants eminent domain-IMO one of the only things that does. The other would be major public works projects with a clear societal benefit.

Maps are kept of minefields-after WW2 the Germans had to clean up their own fields and did so without incident. The problems with unexploded ordnance there are undetonated shells and such.

2.) Suppose we did land-mine US property, either Gov't owned or take people's private property through "eminent domain". The "coyote" smugglers and the drug lords will simply use bulldozers or whatever to set off the land mines in certain paths.

Wait, what? An armored bulldozer isnt easy to come by, unless the IDF sells them one. Plus you dont just sow a field and leave, you keep an eye on it; in the old days with a small detachment. Nowadays drones would do the job fine, and can cover huge territory and handle any clean up. Plus the pilots are basically playing Call of Duty Modern Warfare: Mexico, so they'd be in heaven; it wouldn't even feel like work.

Those paths will become well known, and the flood would continue unabated. "Oh, but we can restock those cleared-out paths!", you say. Hah...you think the drug lords won't think of that, too? They will clear paths for themselves and maintain them, even if they have to dig underground tunnels (yes, this has been done for years). The "coyote" smugglers will just pay the drug lords to use their above-ground paths or underground tunnels. Whoops, there goes the usefulness of your minefield.

The cost of a smuggle would jump fifty times over; the illegals can barely afford the coyotes now with our joke of a border.

3.) What will you do when an American child gets blown up by one of those mines by the river? Yeah, I know, the parents are supposed to watch the kids, but every parent knows you can't watch a kid 100% of the time, and chaining a kid to a structure when you're cooking lunch or dinner (or taking a nap) is not what we do in a civilized nation. What would you say to those parents--"too bad, so sad, f___ you"?

Notwithstanding the fact few Americans live near the border now (and only the truly nutso would after my plan went into effect), how many kids would survive near the current border today before being kidnapped or beheaded? The mines would make it safer-just obviously not near the fields.

No, the proper way to stop the torrent of illegal immigration is to go after the sources of income--the employers. Make sure that strong economic incentive to border-jump isn't there in the first place.

You mean the people with the $ and connections to avoid any real consequences for their actions and never receive anything but a slap on the wrist from our "unbiased" justice system?

I could get in on this--Looks like fun -!!!!

Kreutz wrote:

No, the proper way to stop the torrent of illegal immigration is to go after the sources of income--the employers. Make sure that strong economic incentive to border-jump isn't there in the first place.

You mean the people with the $ and connections to avoid any real consequences for their actions and never receive anything but a slap on the wrist from our "unbiased" justice system?

Yes, those people. It's called "vote out the thieves currently in office and vote in actual Constitutionalists." That's our responsibility as a people. At this moment, that means voting for other than either Democrats or Republicans.

Will those of you reading this, who want ACTUAL change in policy for the better, join me in that voting action? Or will you just vote for "more o' the same" again?

CowboyT wrote: we didn't like Canada at one point either, remember)?

What do you mean, "we" "didn't"? No real American ever trusts Canadians, with their beady eyes and flappy heads. Even now, Canadia practices unconventional warfare against us - their latest and most terrible weapon is Justin Bieber!

It is our northern border we need to be watching.

Diomed wrote:

CowboyT wrote: we didn't like Canada at one point either, remember)?

What do you mean, "we" "didn't"? No real American ever trusts Canadians, with their beady eyes and flappy heads. Even now, Canadia practices unconventional warfare against us - their latest and most terrible weapon is Justin Bieber!

It is our northern border we need to be watching.

+1 If I were going to illegally enter the country I'd sure be looking at that northern border...

Diomed wrote:

CowboyT wrote: we didn't like Canada at one point either, remember)?

What do you mean, "we" "didn't"? No real American ever trusts Canadians, with their beady eyes and flappy heads. Even now, Canadia practices unconventional warfare against us - their latest and most terrible weapon is Justin Bieber!

It is our northern border we need to be watching.

I'm pretty sure "international law" banned the Bieber tactics a long time ago...was it Geneva or Hague?



There is a really easy test to see if you can trust a Canadian. If they end every sentence with "eh" they are likely just some wondering American cowboys of old...aka Northern Montanites.

gunderwood wrote:There is a really easy test to see if you can trust a Canadian. If they end every sentence with "eh" they are likely just some wondering American cowboys of old...aka Northern Montanites.

What are you, some kind of maple syrup-sippin' Canada lover?

BLAME CANADA!

Canada has a problem with its Southern boarder too...

"The flood of American liberals sneaking across the border into Canada has intensified in the past week, sparking calls for increased patrols to stop the illegal immigration. The recent actions of the Tea Party are prompting an exodus among left-leaning citizens who fear they’ll soon be required to hunt, pray, and to agree with Bill O’Reilly and Glenn Beck.

Canadian border farmers say it’s not uncommon to see dozens of sociology professors, animal-rights activists and Unitarians crossing their fields at night. “I went out to milk the cows the other day, and there was a Hollywood producer huddled in the barn,” said Manitoba farmer Red Greenfield , whose acreage borders North Dakota . The producer was cold, exhausted and hungry. He asked me if I could spare a latte and some free-range chicken. When I said I didn’t have any, he left before I even got a chance to show him my screenplay, eh?”

In an effort to stop the illegal aliens, Greenfield erected higher fences, but the liberals scaled them. He then installed loudspeakers that blared Rush Limbaugh across the fields. “Not real effective,” he said. “The liberals still got through and Rush annoyed the cows so much that they wouldn’t give any milk.”

Officials are particularly concerned about smugglers who meet liberals near the Canadian border, pack them into Volvo station wagons and drive them across the border where they are simply left to fend for themselves.” A lot of these people are not prepared for our rugged conditions,” an Ontario border patrolman said. “I found one carload without a single bottle of imported drinking water. They did have a nice little Napa Valley Cabernet, though.”

When liberals are caught, they’re sent back across the border, often wailing loudly that they fear retribution from conservatives. Rumors have been circulating about plans being made to build re-education camps where liberals will be forced to drink domestic beer and watch NASCAR races.

In recent days, liberals have turned to ingenious ways of crossing the border. Some have been disguised as senior citizens taking a bus trip to buy cheap Canadian prescription drugs. After catching a half-dozen young vegans in powdered wig disguises, Canadian immigration authorities began stopping buses and quizzing the supposed senior citizens about Perry Como and Rosemary Clooney to prove that they were alive in the ’50s. “If they can’t identify the accordion player on The Lawrence Welk Show, we become very suspicious about their age” an official said.

Canadian citizens have complained that the illegal immigrants are creating an organic-broccoli shortage and are renting all the Michael Moore movies. “I really feel sorry for American liberals, but the Canadian economy just can’t support them.” an Ottawa resident said. “How many art-history majors does one country need?”

A product of the Onion no doubt...