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Re: Congresswoman shot in AZ

Posted: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 20:20:49
by Daholt757
I really hate how many posts are like "even if she was a democrat, i feel sorry for her family." First of all who cares what political party she belonged to? This is the problem with our system. Too many people get fixated on party affilliation and don't actually educate themselves on a politician's stances on particular issues. Maybe she is a democrat, but she is a very bi-partisan one, in fact I think I heard she used to be republican. She is a gun owner herself and has taken a very strong stance against illegal immigration and securing our borders. This is why George Washington warned against political parties, they cause division rather than a strong, unified nation. The woman is an excellent example of a moderate. She was willing to make compromises with the opposition in order to achieve progress for her country which is something I believe is becoming more and more rare in DC these days

Re: Congresswoman shot in AZ

Posted: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 20:22:54
by GS78
Mindflayer wrote:Yup, this is going to backfire on 2A rights.

Remember my posts where I slammed Sarah Palin? This is the kind of thing the antis are going to use in their war against us. Idiocy.

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I wish the Representative my best. She has a family and I can not begin to imagine their pain.
I was watching MSNBC and they were airing a March 2010 interview with this congresswoman and talking about Sarah Palin's map you refrenced, and in the victims own words she said wee realy dont need this kind of rhetoric(Palins map) "using gun sights on MY district"......... :whistle: very eery stuff. This is going to REALLY HURT the gun rights movement, and I would think that Babs Boxer is licking her lips about her pledge to move against guns.....



I do have to add that I have only learned of this shooting an hour ago, and have flipped through the alphabet channels and have seen Sarah Palin implicated( remotely of course)

...and when asked if his daughter the congresswoman had any enemies, the father of the congresswoman said "YES, THE ENTIRE TEA PARTY""..... :whistle:


....and thats just what the doctor ordered.... :whistle:


before I am accused of being uncaring or whatever the emotion of the moment is, I too acknowledge the evil in this kind of attack, however did anyone else think it was amazing how fast the President made his comments known? I mean in light of how long it took after the Fort Hood incident. :whistle:

Re: Congresswoman shot in AZ

Posted: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 20:28:41
by Paliden
His favorite book or at least one of his favorites: " The Communist Manifesto"
Hardly right wing huh?

Re: Congresswoman shot in AZ

Posted: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 20:32:18
by allingeneral
Paliden wrote:His favorite book or at least one of his favorites: " The Communist Manifesto"
Hardly right wing huh?
He probably doesn't understand most of it, he just feels like he's rebelling by saying that he likes it.

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Re: Congresswoman shot in AZ

Posted: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 20:37:58
by KaosDad
And now the SOB will be provided "due process" regardless of the fact that hundreds saw his actions.

Stand the sumbitch up against a wall and pull the triggers!!!! :tommygun:

Re: Congresswoman shot in AZ

Posted: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 20:38:35
by Daholt757
allingeneral wrote:
Paliden wrote:His favorite book or at least one of his favorites: " The Communist Manifesto"
Hardly right wing huh?
He probably doesn't understand most of it, he just feels like he's rebelling by saying that he likes it.

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+1

Re: Congresswoman shot in AZ

Posted: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 21:10:54
by VBshooter
Just got this from Philip VanCleave at VCDL...Adds a little more to the story.

This afternoon Arizona Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, Arizona Chief Judge John M. Roll, and 17 other people were shot when a crazy person started shooting with a handgun at a town-hall style event in Tucson. The judge and four other people, including a 9-year-old, died as a result and the Congresswoman is in serious condition in a Tucson hospital.

There were reports that at least one citizen returned fire and that the murderer was caught and held by citizens. This was first reported by an Arizona paper and the Fox News story below alludes to it as well.

The armed citizen(s) stopping the criminal has not been confirmed yet, but it bears careful watching as the media tends to bury or ignore such things, as we saw with the shooting at the Appalachian School of Law in 2002.

Our prayers go out to the Giffords and the others whose lives have been touched by this tragedy.

We will watch as the facts trickle out over time.

May justice be swift.

Coverage by Fox News: http://tinyurl.com/2a5tdgk

Rep. Giffords in Intensive Care After Being Shot in the Head at Public Event

Published January 08, 2011 | FoxNews.com

Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords is in an intensive care unit following surgery for a gunshot wound in the head at close range, the University of Arizona Medical Center announced Saturday afternoon.

Dr. Peter Rhee, a surgeon and chief of the trauma, critical care and emergency surgery, said he is "very optimistic" about the congresswoman's recovery.

However, Federal District Judge John M. Roll was shot and killed during the town-hall style event outside a Safeway grocery store in Tucson.

At least 19 people were shot at Giffords' "Congress on Your Corner" event, including three members of the Democratic congresswoman's staff in Arizona. Five have died, including one of Giffords' aides and a 9-year-old girl. Several others are in critical condition at the university hospital.

State Sen. Linda Lopez, a close friend of Giffords', told Fox News that the three-term congresswoman was shot in the temple and the bullet exited through her forehead. Lopez said Giffords was responding to commands.

Fox News confirmed that a 22-year-old white male named Jared Loughner was taken into custody as the alleged shooter. Police reportedly had also arrested a second suspect, however
law enforcement official told Fox News they believe Loughner acted alone after a "preliminary search" for a second suspect turned up no one.

Authorities said they believed Loughner had sent out a video saying that he expected Saturday to be his last day and had written on his MySpace page several "final thoughts" that included rants on illiteracy and the failure of U.S. currency to be backed by gold.

According to the law enforcement official, the suspect began shouting something before shooting wildly with an automatic weapon. Shots then rang out from the crowd -- ****a security agent or someone else fired at the suspect who survived.****

Giffords, 40, has held multiple "Congress on Your Corner" events over the past four years, an aide told Fox News, adding that she had held three previous events at this venue before.

In November, Giffords was re-elected to her third term as representative of Arizona's 8th Congressional District, winning a tight race against a Tea Party-backed candidate. She was one of 19 Democrats who voted against House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi for speaker this week.

Giffords, a gun rights advocate, was first elected to Congress 2006 when she rode a wave of Democratic victories. However, she separated herself from most in her caucus when she criticized President Obama last summer for not sending more National Guard to the U.S.-Mexico border.

Giffords, who had been threatened previously, was a member of the Arizona House and Senate before coming to Washington. She is married to astronaut Mark Kelly. Sen. Bill Nelson, R-Fla., said Kelly is training to be the next commander of the space shuttle mission slated for April and her brother-in-law is currently serving aboard the International Space Station.

Bipartisan expressions of support poured out for Giffords in the hours after the shooting with Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., issuing a statement saying her "tears are flowing" for Giffords and Rep. Raul Grijalva, D-Ariz., saying he was "sickened by the horrific attack."

Obama issued a statement, calling it "an unspeakable tragedy." He ordered FBI Director Robert Mueller to Arizona to lead the investigation.

"I've spoken to Arizona Governor Jan Brewer and have offered her the full resources of the government," Obama said in live remarks to the nation. "It is a tragedy for Arizona and a tragedy for our entire country. What Americans do at a time of tragedy is to come together and support each other. ...We are going to get to the bottom of this and we are going to get through this."

Brewer said law enforcement and government at all levels have a "shared determination to ensure justice is fully served."

"I am just heartbroken," Brewer said. "Gabby is ore than just a colleague, she is a friend. She has always been a noble public servant ... It's an unbelievable tragedy that the people of Arizona experienced today, one of which of course in our worst nightmares we never would have imagined."

She added that the shooting is not something that shows favor for the state, but that the incident doesn't represent the vast majority of sentiment among Arizonans. As is the case elsewhere, "We have disturbed people in our community that do terrible, violent things."

A spokeswoman for the U.S. Capitol Police said the agency "remains at a high level of readiness, consistent with our operating condition on U.S. Capitol Grounds. We continue to maintain a robust presence."

Re: Congresswoman shot in AZ

Posted: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 22:00:30
by GS78
well Eric Cantor and the dems have suspended any and ALL legisilation in this congress until further notice....UNLESS it deals specifically with THIS incident......... :whistle:



One could ask if this is out of support for the victims.......or if its more about the fear some of our ruling class might be feeling right about now....

Re: Congresswoman shot in AZ

Posted: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 22:07:57
by GS78
We should all carefully study every word said about this incident by our elected leaders.

Re: Congresswoman shot in AZ

Posted: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 22:20:20
by GS78
Mindflayer wrote:Yup, this is going to backfire on 2A rights.

Remember my posts where I slammed Sarah Palin? This is the kind of thing the antis are going to use in their war against us. Idiocy.

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I wish the Representative my best. She has a family and I can not begin to imagine their pain.
well she can dismantle her PAC now. She will never be offered the job of President of this country. You're right. Idiocy describes her perfectly.

Re: Congresswoman shot in AZ

Posted: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 22:21:34
by VBshooter
Absolutely! This is gonna bear some serious scrutiny on our part

Re: Congresswoman shot in AZ

Posted: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 22:27:53
by GS78
Paliden wrote:His favorite book or at least one of his favorites: " The Communist Manifesto"
Hardly right wing huh?
Foxnews just reported that Mein Kampf (sp)? was his favorite.....thats alwa6ys been associated with right wing neo-cons..... :whistle:




......but then if he couldn't pick between those two titles, that might explain his major malfunction... :confused:



...I have to say this , bill hemmer from Fox along with megan kelly .....just minutes ago, Hemmer said this " we(him) have not been able to figure out his motive" talking about the shooter


....excuse me? Its the medias job to report the information.PERIOD.

Re: Congresswoman shot in AZ

Posted: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 22:51:12
by Kreutz
KaosDad wrote:And now the SOB will be provided "due process" regardless of the fact that hundreds saw his actions.

Stand the sumbitch up against a wall and pull the triggers!!!! :tommygun:
I love the death penalty, but spot executions are not the way things should be done in this country. Once he was tackled, he was subdued, arrested, and isnow entitled to his Constitutional right of due process.

Then put him against a wall of course.

But we can't start acting like some third world dictatorship where we just execute people. Plus you can't interrogate dead men, and there is apparently evidence he had an accomplice.

Re: Congresswoman shot in AZ

Posted: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 23:33:46
by GS78
who knew? killing a federal official is more serious than killing an average citizen.


http://books.google.com/books?id=vzHQUD ... &q&f=false


..if you have the inclination, you may want to read how many offenses are considered to be worthy of the death penalty. Its astonishing how many have some element of federal juristiction.

Re: Congresswoman shot in AZ

Posted: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 23:34:10
by 40shooter
This is a truly tragic event, I pray for all the victims of this senseless act.
I too believe the anti's will have a field day with this one.

Re: Congresswoman shot in AZ

Posted: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 23:46:17
by GS78
Glock 19. Thats the evil weapon that the guy used according to Fox. It also was equipped with a "high capacity magazine".... :whistle:

Re: Congresswoman shot in AZ

Posted: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 00:47:51
by jaywade
GS78 wrote:Glock 19. Thats the evil weapon that the guy used according to Fox. It also was equipped with a "high capacity magazine".... :whistle:


I guessing next year you won't be able to but 30 round glock mags

Re: Congresswoman shot in AZ

Posted: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 00:54:42
by ThereIsNoSpoon
Hmmmmm... If I was a progressive Democrat.

Never let a good crisis go to waste

1) Now I have a way to disarm the populous.
2) I have squashed the credibility of any grassroots movement to recoup the country (probably including Ron Paul)
3) And I have done away with one of my own that is a Blue Dog and makes problems for me half of the time.

I'm sure it is just a coincidence

Re: Congresswoman shot in AZ

Posted: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 03:42:17
by Diomed
GS78 wrote:
Paliden wrote:His favorite book or at least one of his favorites: " The Communist Manifesto"
Hardly right wing huh?
Foxnews just reported that Mein Kampf (sp)? was his favorite.....thats alwa6ys been associated with right wing neo-cons..... :whistle:




......but then if he couldn't pick between those two titles, that might explain his major malfunction... :confused:
There's lots of speculation that he's simply schizophrenic. Politics doesn't mean what it does to a rational person when you're truly irrational.

That said, some of his former classmates seem to be coming forward to say he was a leftist before he had his break with reality (which seems to have involved alcohol poisoning and drug use).

Of course, as we should all be very aware of by now, most everything that is reported about an incident in the immediate aftermath is usually wrong, so I expect there will be some ... adjustments ... coming along in the not too distant future.

Congresswoman shot in AZ

Posted: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 05:08:18
by gunderwood
Diomed wrote:
GS78 wrote:Of course, as we should all be very aware of by now, most everything that is reported about an incident in the immediate aftermath is usually wrong, so I expect there will be some ... adjustments ... coming along in the not too distant future.
+1

Far to often the "news" is about speculation and reporting it first rather than accurately.