Virginia Gun Owners Forum - VGOF

You want something scary?. Start reading about what's going on in the agricultural markets in this country and around the world. We are headed for inflation and food shortages on a biblical scale.

For those of you that weren't around to witness inflation during the Carter administration, you're about to get your own "Back to the Future" moment.

And it's not just food. Oil is headed up as well. Combine that with China's ever-growing lack of patience with America's debt and weak dollar, and you have a recipe for disaster.

That Ted Kaczynski shack out in the woods is starting to look pretty good right about now.

allingeneral wrote:Unfortunately, my eyes are open wider than just the gun issues. Not to mention that his term is FAR from over, so there's plenty of opportunity for him to make a move on gun-owners' rights before 2012.

So, that's a "no", I thought so. As a small biz owner (and incidentally someone who has dealt with the living hell that is buying health insurance) and a member of the close but not quite 250k crowd, I know whos got my back, and it will never be a Republican.

I will vote for Obama in 2012 because I do not see a valid reason not to. He's fought hard for the middle class so he's got my support, in the earth shattering event a Republican fought, and i mean really fought for the middle class, well they would too. That just has not happened yet. Much props to them for holding everyone elses tax cuts hostage btw, very constructive. Yep, they're definitely on my side.

Kreutz wrote:

allingeneral wrote:

Kreutz wrote:as a left-winger I voted for Obama, will do so again

That's the absolute worst thing I've read all day!!

Can you name one step by his administration to curtail gun rights? I mean an actual bill, not propaganda.

In fact he removed a law passed by Reagan banning the carry of guns in national parks. Sorry, but the rhetoric about Obama being a gun grabber is an NRA fund raiser and useful for driving ammo sales and not rooted in fact. When I see him make a move I will believe it.

Here ya go:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... r-gun-ban/

CCFan wrote:=

Here ya go:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... r-gun-ban/

The State Department confirmed to The Washington Times that it was considering "alternative options"

And it never happened anyway, your story is dated from August, this is from October of the same year:

http://wncpreppersnetwork.wordpress.com ... rand-sale/

SEOUL, S. Korea — The Korea Times has reported that planned exports of aging U.S. combat rifles will begin this year when two successful wholesalers are selected by the governments of South Korea and the United States, an official at the Ministry of National Defense said October 12.

So thats still no verified legislation form this administration. Dont think I'm saying he wouldn't try gun control, but overall I think he represents me well enough, and on this issue his hands are tied anyway, so I will vote for him again in 2012.

allingeneral wrote:Unfortunately, my eyes are open wider than just the gun issues. Not to mention that his term is FAR from over, so there's plenty of opportunity for him to make a move on gun-owners' rights before 2012.

The democrats knew to touch gun rights was certain death...IMO thats the ONLY reason they've left them alone so far...and I agree with Rick...we must have broader vision...obama has no doubt governed from the left and most of us dont want that as evidenced by the mid-term.

Kreutz wrote:

CCFan wrote:=

Here ya go:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... r-gun-ban/

The State Department confirmed to The Washington Times that it was considering "alternative options"

And it never happened anyway, your story is dated from August, this is from October of the same year:

http://wncpreppersnetwork.wordpress.com ... rand-sale/

SEOUL, S. Korea — The Korea Times has reported that planned exports of aging U.S. combat rifles will begin this year when two successful wholesalers are selected by the governments of South Korea and the United States, an official at the Ministry of National Defense said October 12.

So thats still no verified legislation form this administration. Dont think I'm saying he wouldn't try gun control, but overall I think he represents me well enough, and on this issue his hands are tied anyway, so I will vote for him again in 2012.

If the Korea Times reported this, apparently Herr Obama didn't get the memo:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-6240
and:
http://thetruthaboutguns.com/2010/09/ro ... load-here/


So if what your source says is true, then why are representatives trying to get a bill passed to allow these firearms to be imported?

May I also remind you that it was the Obama administration that decided to stop selling once-fired casings to recyclers - and it was only after the public outcry that they reversed policy. The President's hand should never be tied on any issue - that's a cheap way out. Man up and make a decision.

I didn't bring up any other issues - if he represents what you stand for, so be it. I won't get into that discussion with you.

A couple more of Obamas pet gun control projects that bear watching on our part. Obama has taken a position of supporting the UN smal arms treaty which would literally bring GUn Control on a global scale to the US,http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... n-grabber/ Also his support of the treaty he and the Mexican President keep squaking about that would screw US gun owners and reloaders once again in the name of ???? I forget what these clowns are supporting it for...http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... t/asection

True, i will admit I forgot about the Mexican situation, that his administration would use their troubles against US gun owners is deplorable. How is it our fault they buy/steal US guns to kill each other with?

Any other country will tell him to shut up and go piss up a rope, Our dumbass politicans and State Department will fall over themselves to send money and attempt to get away with some Gun Control to deny us our rights by going along with the little lying SOB. Its not our fault the Police,Politicians, and Military are all crooked in Mexico , But we sadly have bleeding heart jackasses in this country that will agree with the sawed off little turd of a leader there

The Dems know its a loser to campaign on.
They are going to try a ban thru a UN end run.
Obama is the only one on the planet that could have made me vote for McCain.

Yes Sir ... with things changing we are going to have to be very awake for that and other regulatory bypass's of Congress, Obama has shown on more than one occasion that he will sink pretty low to get his spoiled brat way,, He still thinks he;s right and doesn;t realize most of the country hates his ideas.

"doesn;t realize most of the country hates his ideas."

Yet, somehow they still love HIM. I can only chalk that up to fear of being called WAISISS. See Warren Buffett as an example, but there are countless others. You don't like his politics, his positions, his legislation, his associations, his administration or its way of going about the business of .gov...but I love him! He is historical ya know!

So was the black plague. Similar in epidemic-ness as well.

Tweaker Wrote; "You don't like his politics, his positions, his legislation, his associations, his administration or its way of going about the business of .gov or him personally..."


Works for me!

i find it hard to believe that anyone can say that Obama's love of the federal stimulus, cap and trade, or even obamacare is a good thing. I attribute the fact that Obama won as well as some of the same congressmen actually got reelected like Pelosi and barney frank, to the fact that voters do not have a clue as to what is best for them anymore. As a lifetime Republican member, i have always thought that people knew what was best for them, not the govt. now however, i am having to reexamine that belief. but.. let me state that as a tea party member, i have found that my views are what most would call extreme right. i base this off the fact that i am in favor of cutting any and everything. want to cut welfare? fine.. but lets not forget to cut SSI. if you're going to cut one thing, that one thing isnt going to save us. I read an article not too long ago that asked the question "what did people do before govt?" and it looked at what Americans did before govt was so heavy handed to give out to the less "fortunate". when it all goes south, like it did in France, or better yet like it did in Katrina, Americans will eat each other. i for one, am able to stand on my own two feet. i dont want or expect anyone else's money. unfortunately, that thinking process is almost extinct i believe today.

"i find it hard to believe that anyone can say that Obama's love of the federal stimulus, cap and trade, or even obamacare is a good thing."

That's because you are neither a troll, nor a fool, Snaz.

Kreutz said:

So, that's a "no", I thought so. As a small biz owner (and incidentally someone who has dealt with the living hell that is buying health insurance) and a member of the close but not quite 250k crowd, I know whos got my back, and it will never be a Republican.

I will vote for Obama in 2012 because I do not see a valid reason not to. He's fought hard for the middle class so he's got my support, in the earth shattering event a Republican fought, and i mean really fought for the middle class, well they would too. That just has not happened yet. Much props to them for holding everyone elses tax cuts hostage btw, very constructive. Yep, they're definitely on my side.

I am not a businessman, I have no desire to be, I would much rather be the "worker bee" that makes things move when I am at work, but my job won't follow me home. I do however have a pretty good head for math. For those families in the 10% tax bracket, on January 1, they will now be in the 15% bracket. So if their taxable income is $30,000, their $3000 tax bill would go up 50% to $4500. Now that is what I call "punishing the rich". If they have 2 kids, the tax child tax credit is halved, so their $3000 - (2X $1000) = $1000 tax bill becomes, $4500- (2 X $500) = $3500. You are right the President is looking out for the little people in America, he only wants to raise the middle class' taxes by 50 to 250%. Where do I get me some of that Koolaid? Now when you take $125 to $200 out of those families' pockets each month, What do you think is going to happen to the economy?

Somehow this will all be blamed on the Republicans, and a lot of Americans will believe it. Personally I hope the Republicans offer a quick solution, extend all the cuts for 2 years and revisit it all over again in 2012. Compromise means both sides giving a little and meeting in the middle. The Democrats thought they had a mandate to change the country. the American people spoke Tuesday a week ago, and fired a bunch of people over it. Hopefully, Congress will improve this session...

Now we need to get rid of at least 40% more government deadwood waste on top of all the BS jobs that the current admin created, Far too many pet projects that the government has no business being involved in at all.A lot of what happens will be very dependent upon how much WE the people take an active role in the process,,Some of the rumored fixes are BS already IMHO,Take away the mortgage deduction and a few other science fiction ideas,Seems they just can;t grasp the idea that cutting federal spending in the areas where it is wasted the most will garner some large financial rewards, Earmarks although said to not amount to much need to go away but the old line Republicans and Democrats are fighting that tooth and nail , We''ll have to watch that to see where it goes,Raising the retirement age is one idea that the idiots have also suggested ,,,Why is it that they don't take the money they will waste or potentially will waste and apply it to Social Security as an example... Not too mention stopping SSIP to the ones who never put a cent in.. I do hope they extend the tax breaks as I personally need some kind of break after The health care bills 'Lower Costs" increased my premiums 25% ,,That and the increase in the amount needed to be tax deductible has put the screws to me and others good. THis along with 2 more of years of Obingo are going to make for a very long time indeed,,, Then it is gonna be all out war to unseat his butt and continue in the right direction...

Kreutz wrote:

allingeneral wrote:Unfortunately, my eyes are open wider than just the gun issues. Not to mention that his term is FAR from over, so there's plenty of opportunity for him to make a move on gun-owners' rights before 2012.

So, that's a "no", I thought so. As a small biz owner (and incidentally someone who has dealt with the living hell that is buying health insurance) and a member of the close but not quite 250k crowd, I know whos got my back, and it will never be a Republican.

I will vote for Obama in 2012 because I do not see a valid reason not to. He's fought hard for the middle class so he's got my support, in the earth shattering event a Republican fought, and i mean really fought for the middle class, well they would too. That just has not happened yet. Much props to them for holding everyone elses tax cuts hostage btw, very constructive. Yep, they're definitely on my side.

Let's see...If the wealthiest American's receive a tax break, what would the most likely outcome be? Ohh, that's right, they now have more money to create even more jobs!

I'm sorry, the bailouts to Guvment Motors, Chrysler, and several banks did NOTHING to improve the economy. If those businesses were truly that bad off, they deserved to go under! Personally, I do not believe for one minute that they were in that bad of shape. Those companies merely seized an opportunity to acquire more money at the tax payers expense.

Lest we forget, how was all of this paid for? We merely printed more money! What happens when you do that? Your money is worth even less than it was previously!

A democrat has our back? Puhhleezzzzzeeee! They only have more of our money, which thanks to them, is worth even less today!

Kreutz wrote:True, i will admit I forgot about the Mexican situation, that his administration would use their troubles against US gun owners is deplorable. How is it our fault they buy/steal US guns to kill each other with?

Why in the world would some of the richest people on the planet (drug lords) send Pedro north to buy SEMI-auto rifles when all they have to do is pick up their cell phone and ask Achmed (the illegal arms dealer) to deliver several cases of military grade weapons, ammo, grenades, and rocket launchers.

Granted, A FEW of those guns might come from the US but I'm betting on my "theory." These people are not stupid and they do not skimp on security...

Well, I did some research and here are my findings regard the residual love for The One. Apparently, it is in some way required that you love him. I would submit that he has not possess sufficient qualifications for this policy, but it remains in force.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCdZJNI7RTM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLmNwV9V9iA