Chasbo00 wrote:Those of us who carry should pay close attention to this one. Although tragic, there will likely be some key lessons learned that may keep one of us from ending up like Scott.
Agreed. This is a horrible story with a result likely due to mistakes made on both sides. From what I understand, the police issued contradictory commands to Scott, simultaneously telling him, "Drop it," and "hands up."
Michael Bane and Rob Pincus discussed this a couple of nights ago on Bane's podcast and it's certainly a lot to ponder for anybody who ccws.
The podcast is here:
http://www.downrange.tv/blog/down-range-radio-180/6221/
Bane's discussion on his forum is here:
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=14121
The key advice Bane gives is the following:
"On confrontations with the police, I think we're probably on the same page here — DROP THE GUN, if it's in your hand; if it's not in your hand, KEEP YOUR HANDS IN THE AIR AND MAKE NO MOVE TOWARD YOUR HOLSTERED GUN! Do exactly as you're told! If you're taken into custody, ASK FOR YOUR LAWYER and then SHUT UP!"
and
First and foremost, the "Mike O'Day Rule" is immediately in effect:
"Here lies the grave of Mike O'Day
Who died maintaining his right of way
His right was clear
And his will was strong
But he's just as dead as if he'd been wrong"
While we are certainly concerned with the rightness and wrongness of our actions and the actions of others, our primary focus is EXACTLY as it is in a violent encounter — to get you and ours out alive. A secondary consideration is to get you and yours and NOT go directly to jail. I think, in fact, that it is prudent to treat an encounter like this as a Condition Red situation, with — as we saw in Las Vegas — a potential to go from zero to lethal very quickly.
I can't say that I disagree with Bane. The Mike O'Day rule also applies to that bit of nastiness up in Wisconsin.
A lot to chew. The Erik Scott story absolutely scares the living @#$^ out of me when it comes to carrying.
It must have been too late for me last night. Perhaps, I was the one, as usual, reading too much into the post. Thanks DK for the clarification.
