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Re: One in the chamber?
Posted: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:39:58
by gatorbait
I can't imagine carrying a gun I didn't fully understand and trust. I can't imagine buying a gun from a manufacturer whose QC I didn't trust. I've never carried my old 1911 (built in 1912) any other way--or kept it in my house any other way. At my age and in my physical shape I'd have to get rid of it if I had to rack it before use. I'd be down before it was charged.
You really do need to undestand what my idol JMB had in mind and accomplished before you try to come up with a better way.
Re: One in the chamber?
Posted: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 20:24:58
by ynoty3k
+1 to everyone,
I have my kimber cocked n locked all day every day, with one in the tube(duh) and I was surprised by how many of my fellow 2A enthusiasts were shocked at the visual sight of the exposed, cocked hammer, and would ask if there's on in the tube. I guess it's something that if you don't own a 1911 you just don't think about or notice really.
Re: One in the chamber?
Posted: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 08:20:39
by zephyp
ynoty3k wrote:+1 to everyone,
I have my kimber cocked n locked all day every day, with one in the tube(duh) and I was surprised by how many of my fellow 2A enthusiasts were shocked at the visual sight of the exposed, cocked hammer, and would ask if there's on in the tube. I guess it's something that if you don't own a 1911 you just don't think about or notice really.
It does take a little getting used to, but the only way to carry a 1911 otherwise is if your on the way to the safe to put it away...
Re: One in the chamber?
Posted: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 00:57:16
by Diomed
GS78 wrote:coltman wrote:I think I heard this here, a Texas Ranger always carried his 1911 cocked and locked. A civilian noticed the fully cocked hammer on the Rangers' sidearm and asked. "Isn't that dangerous?" to which the Ranger replied
"I wouldn't carry the damn thing if it wasn't dangerous."
Carrying an automatic with one in the chamber is as dangerous as carrying a fully loaded six shot revolver, it's the shooter that makes it safe or unsafe.
"fully cocked hammer " I doubt that.
Don't 1911s have a half-cock?
Re: One in the chamber?
Posted: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 08:14:49
by guitarpicva
Diomed wrote:GS78 wrote:coltman wrote:I think I heard this here, a Texas Ranger always carried his 1911 cocked and locked. A civilian noticed the fully cocked hammer on the Rangers' sidearm and asked. "Isn't that dangerous?" to which the Ranger replied
"I wouldn't carry the damn thing if it wasn't dangerous."
Carrying an automatic with one in the chamber is as dangerous as carrying a fully loaded six shot revolver, it's the shooter that makes it safe or unsafe.
"fully cocked hammer " I doubt that.
Don't 1911s have a half-cock?
Only designed as a safety measure if a slip happens while manually cocking. Not intended or recommended for a carry position.
Re: One in the chamber?
Posted: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 23:54:47
by t33j
I would recommend not carrying unchambered. It is advisable to keep things simple should you ever have to use it. Drawing, chambering a round, taking aim, and firing successfully under stress takes time and great practice to do efficiently.
The only time I've ever carried unchambered was the first half day of OCing. That got old quick.
They're not going to fire on their own, and I would trust any pistol I own in condition 0.
I do:
1911s in Condition 1
USP in DA mode (would use condition 1 but the retention strap on my holster does not allow it. I've done a lot of practice to get the DA SA transition down.)
Sig in DA
Glock in... well I don't carry that ugly hunk of metal.
etc...
Re: One in the chamber?
Posted: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 08:50:23
by hardchrome
Why have one in the chamber? Because two won't fit.
Re: One in the chamber?
Posted: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 09:41:00
by gunderwood
Cocked, locked and loaded 1911 all the time.
There are other guns that can be carried this way, but they aren't as common as the 1911. Striker fired, DA/SA, and DAO are much more common than a locked SA and that is where the shock comes from. People just aren't use to seeing a "safe" CC gun cocked. E.g. you should never holster/carry a DA/SA SIG (which has no manual safety) cocked. With the smaller 1911's becoming more popular this may change.
Re: One in the chamber?
Posted: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 00:18:36
by Diomed
Looks like Colt is rebranding Para's LDA guns, so now you can carry a pony-branded 1911 uncocked and unlocked.
(Speaking as someone with a Para LDA gun, no way in hell would I stake my life on one.)
Re: One in the chamber?
Posted: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 01:11:37
by cigarmanva
wouldn't it be easier to carry a brick? wait guy trying to kill me, I need to draw and chamber a round, ok now we can do this....there is no reason not to carry it chambered and every reason not to
Re: One in the chamber?
Posted: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 23:27:29
by skywalker30
for 1911 its to be carried locked cocked and ready to rock.for glocks have a good holster and keep your finger off the trigger till you are ready to shoot, revolvers i can see one empty chamber unless it has a hammer block.
Re: One in the chamber?
Posted: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 22:16:07
by Quigley
I always carry one in the chamber and on both my G27 and my P3AT. It just makes sense to. I have seen videos on GunTalkTV about carrying empty but they don't address the part about stress. I would bet that if the situation ever arose that I needed my gun that I would not be able to chamber a round due to the stress and possible sweaty palms.
Re: One in the chamber?
Posted: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 06:46:49
by zephyp
Quigley wrote:I always carry one in the chamber and on both my G27 and my P3AT. It just makes sense to. I have seen videos on GunTalkTV about carrying empty but they don't address the part about stress. I would bet that if the situation ever arose that I needed my gun that I would not be able to chamber a round due to the stress and possible sweaty palms.
Yup. I can certainly understand carrying empty if you choose to use an old fashioned cowboy pistol but to do so otherwise with a carry gun is sheer lunacy and makes no sense whatsoever.
The ONLY reason I can think of is if you are brand new to guns and carrying empty until you build confidence or teaching someone else to do so...
Re: One in the chamber?
Posted: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 08:47:53
by Paliden
You need to own a 1911A1 to understand it and how it work, then you will know it is one of the safest pistol to be cared cocked and locked. In my humble opinion safer than the Glock. Reason? You can pull the trigger on the glock and it will shoot. The 1911A1 will only shoot AFTER you release the safety.
Now having said that Taurus 1911 does have a problem with safeties wearing out or coming loose, so keep that in mind
Re: One in the chamber?
Posted: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 19:05:08
by NewColonial
I notice the Governor of TX had to "charge the gun" before he could shoot the coyote. I guess even in TX they don't get it.
Re: One in the chamber?
Posted: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 00:24:15
by hemifan87
could i get something clarified for me i have heard if you oc you cant hev one chambered and i have heard you can i havent found the law and was wondering what it was. i usaly carrywith one in but was wondering case a cop ever asked to see it. i dont have a cc yet but want to get one as soon as i am able to.
Re: One in the chamber?
Posted: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 00:44:37
by allingeneral
Carry with a round chambered - either Open Carry (with or without a CHP) or Concealed with a CHP - doesn't matter. If you carry without a round chambered, you might as well be carrying a rock
Re: One in the chamber?
Posted: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 02:02:18
by hemifan87
thats what i thought thanks
Re: One in the chamber?
Posted: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 07:17:41
by gunderwood
allingeneral wrote:Carry with a round chambered - either Open Carry (with or without a CHP) or Concealed with a CHP - doesn't matter. If you carry without a round chambered, you might as well be carrying a rock
+1
There is not law in VA which prohibits carrying, open or concealed, with a chambered round. Perhaps you are confusing the commotion over Starbucks and CA open carry? In CA you must have the gun unloaded, but that also means the mag can't be in the gun.
Re: One in the chamber?
Posted: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 00:46:43
by bryanrheem
Username wrote:As overwhelming as the response is to carry with one in the chamber... I normally don't carry it chambered on my hip. I do realize I will probably get rebuked twenty times over and told to lay down and be a good victim, but I just don't.
I have not been carrying that long, as I've always been more of a long gun guy and just recently purchased a Sig P239 as my carry weapon. This gun does have a de-cocker, but no safety.
Since my job is moving heavy equipment, I have a lot of things tearing at my belt / clothing all day and wouldn't want a snag to tear my gun from the holster and the gun to fire from impact which however remote of a possibility....
As I continue to carry, I may change guns, or change how I carry but as of right now this is how it goes for me.
I'm about 99.99% sure that sigs have a mechanism that prevents accidental discharge. Meaning, the only way it will fire is if the trigger is pulled. I'm sure you know this, but the Double action pull of the Sig is meant to be the 'safety' as it's a much harder pull.
Personally, regardless of the gun, a round is always chambered.