Patrol Rifle Question

Rifle discussions - Rifle ammunition, gun modifications, pictures. Tell us about your rifle.
User avatar
GS78
Sharp Shooter
Sharp Shooter
Posts: 2133
Joined: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:10:18

Re: Patrol Rifle Question

Post by GS78 »

dwhitehorne wrote:A little late to this post, but I've been carrying a patrol rifle for the past 7 years. I have a personal Sig 556 and love it. I have been using a issued M16A1 at work and have just gotten a LWRC to replace the 39 year old M16.

To the OP's original question, I would go with the AR variant. I love my Sig but no one makes a rifle rack for it and everyone uses and supports the AR carbine for a reason. I took my Sig to my last quarterly qualifications and ran through the qual course with it. The Sig is sweet but the contols of the AR type weapon are second to none.

Colt is a fine choice and the 6920 is the best, but don't limit yourself to Colt. S&W does a lot of LE sales too but they don't have 1/7 barrels. LMT has a nice LEO price too. I would first suggest contacting your academy firearms staff or another larger Texas agency and see what kind of LEO contracts they have for LE pricing. I was under the impession that TCLEOSE has a standard for everything and they may be able to provide you with some ideas or dictate to you requirements to purchase a rifle under a state contract at a contract price.

As for your post on what you need for the rifle. The folding stock is out for the AR and I rarely fold my Sig stock either. What you will need or must have is a good sling, a good weapon light, good magazines and good sights. You mentioned a holographic sight. I have a Eotech issued at work but prefer the Aimpoint. Both are good but the battery issue with the Eotech requires frequent checks and the 8 hour auto shut off is a pain because I work 12 hour shifts. The Eotech is cheaper and I'm sure that is why they are popular with Law Enforcement. As for the flash hider, I get some ideas on what the contract rifles offer and get what comes with them. I have a phantom that came on my LWRC that works fine, but if you can get a LEO price Colt for under 900 just get what ever you want later. As for rails, your wallet is the limit. Troy is nice but YHM is what a lot of LEO's purchase. Rails are on again off again for me my LWRC has rails but non of my personal rifles do anymore.

Read up a lot and buy what you need more than what you can afford. Good luck David
well there ya have it, if ya wait long enough the right answer will just appear.....its like majic.... :whistle:
'those who hammer their guns into plows , will plow for those who don't'






"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."...George Orwell
User avatar
arkypete
Sharp Shooter
Sharp Shooter
Posts: 141
Joined: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 08:08:30

Re: Patrol Rifle Question

Post by arkypete »

AgentSmoke wrote:If I decide to go with the 308 option, are there any specific rifles you would recommend?

AR10 a4, put an EOtech on it and you are done.

Jim
User avatar
rugdoc
On Target
On Target
Posts: 43
Joined: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 20:41:01

Re: Patrol Rifle Question

Post by rugdoc »

dwhitehorne wrote:A little late to this post, but I've been carrying a patrol rifle for the past 7 years. I have a personal Sig 556 and love it. I have been using a issued M16A1 at work and have just gotten a LWRC to replace the 39 year old M16.

To the OP's original question, I would go with the AR variant. I love my Sig but no one makes a rifle rack for it and everyone uses and supports the AR carbine for a reason. I took my Sig to my last quarterly qualifications and ran through the qual course with it. The Sig is sweet but the contols of the AR type weapon are second to none.

Colt is a fine choice and the 6920 is the best, but don't limit yourself to Colt. S&W does a lot of LE sales too but they don't have 1/7 barrels. LMT has a nice LEO price too. I would first suggest contacting your academy firearms staff or another larger Texas agency and see what kind of LEO contracts they have for LE pricing. I was under the impession that TCLEOSE has a standard for everything and they may be able to provide you with some ideas or dictate to you requirements to purchase a rifle under a state contract at a contract price.

As for your post on what you need for the rifle. The folding stock is out for the AR and I rarely fold my Sig stock either. What you will need or must have is a good sling, a good weapon light, good magazines and good sights. You mentioned a holographic sight. I have a Eotech issued at work but prefer the Aimpoint. Both are good but the battery issue with the Eotech requires frequent checks and the 8 hour auto shut off is a pain because I work 12 hour shifts. The Eotech is cheaper and I'm sure that is why they are popular with Law Enforcement. As for the flash hider, I get some ideas on what the contract rifles offer and get what comes with them. I have a phantom that came on my LWRC that works fine, but if you can get a LEO price Colt for under 900 just get what ever you want later. As for rails, your wallet is the limit. Troy is nice but YHM is what a lot of LEO's purchase. Rails are on again off again for me my LWRC has rails but non of my personal rifles do anymore.

Read up a lot and buy what you need more than what you can afford. Good luck David
+1

Stick with the 5.56! Check out http://www.anvilarms.com/.
Anvil makes the the best valued firearms on the market today- My opinion based on experience

I suggest shooting as many different sights as possible. After many different sights I chose an EOTech 557.AR223 with a flip to the side G23. This system is the absolute best combination for tactical engagements, near and far all-in-one in a deadly package. EOTech also has a $150 rebate. http://www.eotech-inc.com/ shoot them a email they might give you a discount.

I am sure you remember, as a member of law enforcement, you are the peoples primary defense. You are a soldier for the common freedom. In this role you have the responsibility to defend the citizen's personal rights of property and privacy. The forefathers understood that it is much better to let a guilty man free than to imprison the innocent. I am very disappointed to see your primary focus is already "drug" interdiction instead of protecting and preserving your community. Be wise brother, for our children will judge us on our actions not on our intentions.

Good luck! Go with the 5.56 and an EOTech
Μολὼν λαβέ

The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates. – Tacitus

Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. – George Washington
User avatar
zephyp
VGOF Platinum Supporter
VGOF Platinum Supporter
Posts: 10207
Joined: Tue, 05 May 2009 08:40:55
Location: Springfield, VA

Re: Patrol Rifle Question

Post by zephyp »

rugdoc wrote: Good luck! Go with the 5.56 and an EOTech
:thumbsup: You can also shoot .223 from a 5.56 rifle. You cant shoot 5.56 from a .223 rifle. Well, you can but the results are unpredictable and unsafe.
No more catchy slogans for me...I am simply fed up...4...four...4...2+2...

Image
User avatar
AgentSmoke
Pot Shot
Pot Shot
Posts: 6
Joined: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:07:19

Re: Patrol Rifle Question

Post by AgentSmoke »

dwhite:

Excellent response. Thank you very much!
Do you think the 1/7 barrel is a must have for my application, or could I do ok with the usual 1/9 barrel that most brands have?

rugdoc:
What magnifier did you get for your eotech?



Thanks to everyone for the opinions. My money is all saved, and I'm going shopping this week sometime. Hopefully I can sort through all the info, and make a logical decision for 2010!
User avatar
allingeneral
Site Admin
Site Admin
Posts: 9678
Joined: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 17:38:25
Location: King George, Virginia
Contact:

Re: Patrol Rifle Question

Post by allingeneral »

Just don't forget show us some pictures of your new weapon when you get it! :lovegunporn: :gunporn:
Please consider a DONATION to VGOF to help cover our operating costs

Image
User avatar
AgentSmoke
Pot Shot
Pot Shot
Posts: 6
Joined: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:07:19

Re: Patrol Rifle Question

Post by AgentSmoke »

You know I will!
User avatar
dwhitehorne
Pot Shot
Pot Shot
Posts: 4
Joined: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 12:06:15

Re: Patrol Rifle Question

Post by dwhitehorne »

For a patrol rifle I would stick with 1/7 twist if possible. The LE ammo progression seems to be going toward the heavier ammo. I shoot 55gr Vshock duty ammo at work because we still have 1/12 twist rifles in service. The firearms staff has already stated once the last 1/12 rifle is gone, we will switch to heavier ammo. The ammo oracle on AR15.com states the 75gr TAP ammo as what is considered some of the best LE ammo. Also the military has been using limited amounts of 77gr ammo and is experimenting with other ammo in the 70+gr weights. If you buy at 1/7 twist barrel your rifle will shoot 55gr ammo just fine along with the heavier weight LE ammo. With a 1/9 twist rifle you may or may not be able to stabilize the 70+gr weight ammo. David
User avatar
rugdoc
On Target
On Target
Posts: 43
Joined: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 20:41:01

Re: Patrol Rifle Question

Post by rugdoc »

Μολὼν λαβέ

The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates. – Tacitus

Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. – George Washington
Post Reply

Return to “Rifles”