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grumpyMSG wrote:I don't think it matters who the Republican party puts up. History favors a change in parties. If Hillary Clinton gets the Dimocrat nomination, through hook and crook like it has been going so far. Where are the Bernie supporters going to go? It will be funny that ultimately Socialism will be what beats Bernie, after all it will be the ultimate case of taking from those that have and giving to those who need. I think they will be so pissed off at the Dimocratic party that they will either sit out the election or vote for whoever runs for the Republicans.
Right now, If I were guessing the odds I'd say it's 5:10 or better that Trump will get the nomination, 3:10 for Rubio because of establishment backing and 2:10 for Cruz. If I had to describe the three, we have a guy who owns a chain of used car dealerships outside of military installations with a we finance E-1 and up (Trump), a used car salesmen of the month (Rubio) and a doctor with no bedside manner a la House (Cruz). I look at it as there will never be a candidate I agree with 100%, but I will have to pick amongst those who are putting themselves out there to run for office.

I agree that a large number of voters are ready to let the other party have a go for a while, but there's almost no chance that the Cruz and Trump supporters will turn out to vote for Rubio. Even if Trump goes third party it will only serve to dilute the votes needed to defeat Hillary.

Both the GOP and Democrats have played Trump and his supporters like the chumps they are. The only thing greater than my disgust at the entire political affair is my admiration for the masterful scam they've pulled off.

"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first." - Ronald Reagan.

Republican optimists are unaware of, or not fully appreciating, the power of the Democrat election fraud machine. it's of Death Star magnitude and it will be used this year. Look at just the latest maneuver - registering illegal immigrants to vote, and using the courts to disregard our clear laws against such a thing.

And this is real life - The Force does not exist; no young hero will find the evil empire's weak point and destroy it with a simple act. it will take real effort, by every freedom-loving American, to defeat the Dems. I don't believe that the comfortable, passive people who "just don't want any trouble" can put out such an effort any more.

All of the big money from establishment GOP supporters that was behind Bush has now moved over to Rubio. And, if Rubio does in fact give a rat's fuzzy behind about conservatives then why is he ditching CPAC next month? Well, I'll tell you why. It's because he doesn't want or need support from conservatives in November.

I have it on good authority that Rubio will be attending CPAC.

http://hotair.com/archives/2016/02/24/c ... to-appear/

Oh, by the way, did you hear that Carson is dropping out of the race?

It appears that Matt Drudge has gone on and called Trump as the 2016 Republican nominee.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... e-nominee/

Truthfully, I had kind of expected the Trump and Cruz campaigns to kill each other, leaving Rubio to rise up and take the nomination.

But, I guess it ain't over yet, so we'll see.

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Tuesday will tell a big part of the tale, I think.

I have no candidate in this election.

It's simply a matter of holding my nose. I have no Statesmen in this election, only politicians.

its been a long long time since I voted FOR a candidate... mostly its been a vote against the one is dislike more.

I need a bumper sticker... I hate my candidate less than the other one.

The GOP Establishment killed Rand Paul's campaign as soon as it started. A shame, too, since Rand Paul was making some very strong in-roads into the Black American community. Many Black Americans hold conservative values due to their involvement in the churches, and the DNC stranglehold is just a matter of inertia.

Rubio is the GOP pretty boy Establishment face. He's going to be more of the same.

Cruz is the best choice left for we gun owners, but he doesn't have a likable personality.

Carson is done. Kasich is done.

I don't trust Trump's record on gun rights.

Last night, I kept flipping back and forth between the CNN slug-fest and Foghorn Leghorn cartoons. Had a hard time telling the difference.

Sorry guys, you are free to hate me, but having this I can't but support Trump:
"If Donald Trump is the nominee ... I'm also reserving my ticket to get out of here if he wins. Only because he’d probably have me deported anyhow," Sharpton said
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-02-2 ... s-deported

Let's make White House great again

Who knows, these days, what’s too fantastic to be believable? I got the following e-mail from a person whose judgment and acumen I respect. I don’t know if this is actually written by Dr. Bennett or if it is an internet hoax. To tell the truth, to me it doesn't read like Bill Bennett wrote it. I didn’t check it out on snopes.com because the more I see the less I think THEY are unbiased and reliable. So read it and take it for what it may be worth based upon your own judgment and discretion. We all need to practice that occasionally , lest we forget how.
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Written by the distinguished Bill Bennett about Donald Trump.
I think you will find it very interesting and alarming. You might want to take the time to read it.

PHD - Secretary of Education under Ronald Reagan
Cultural studies at the distinguished and renown Heritage Foundation

Interesting take on Trump.
William J. Bennett, Host of Bill Bennett's Morning in America Show, is one of America's most important, influential, and respected voices on cultural, political, and education issues. He has one of the strongest Christian world views of any writer in modern times.

What I See Happening In a Trump Presidency
By Bill Bennett

"They will kill him before they let him be president. It could be a Republican or a Democrat that instigates the shutting up of Trump.

Don’t be surprised if Trump has an accident. Some people are getting very nervous: Barack Obama, Valerie Jarrett, Eric Holder, Hillary Clinton and Jon Corzine, to name just a few.

It's about the unholy dynamics between big government, big business, and big media. They all benefit by the billions of dollars from this partnership, and it's in all of their interests to protect one another. It's one for all and all for one. It’s a heck of a filthy relationship that makes everyone filthy rich, everyone except the American people. We get ripped off. We’re the patsies. But for once, the powerful socialist cabal and the corrupt crony capitalists are scared. The over-the-top reaction to Trump by politicians of both parties, the media, and the biggest corporations of America has been so swift and insanely angry that it suggests they are all threatened and frightened.

Donald Trump can self-fund. No matter how much they say to the contrary, the media, business, and political elite understand that Trump is no joke. He could actually win and upset their nice cozy apple cart.

It's no coincidence that everyone has gotten together to destroy The Donald. It's because most of the other politicians are part of the a good old boys club. They talk big, but they won’t change a thing. They are all beholden to big-money donors. They are all owned by lobbyists, unions, lawyers, gigantic environmental organizations, and multinational corporations – like Big Pharmacy or Big Oil. Or they are owned lock, stock, and barrel by foreigners like George Soros owns Obama or foreign governments own Hillary and their Clinton Foundation donations.

These run-of-the-mill establishment politicians are all puppets owned by big money. But there's one man who isn't beholden to anyone. There's one man who doesn't need foreigners, or foreign governments, or George Soros, or the United Auto Workers, or the teacher's union, or the Service Employees International Union, or the Bar Association to fund his campaign.

Billionaire tycoon and maverick Donald Trump doesn’t need anyone’s help. That means he doesn’t care what the media says. He doesn’t care what the corporate elites think. That makes him very dangerous to the entrenched interests. That makes Trump a huge threat to those people. Trump can ruin everything for the bribed politicians and their spoiled slave masters.

Don’t you ever wonder why the GOP has never tried to impeach Obama? Don’t you wonder why John Boehner and Mitch McConnell talk a big game, but never actually try to stop Obama? Don’t you wonder why Congress holds the purse strings, yet has never tried to de-fund Obamacare or Obama’s clearly illegal executive action on amnesty for illegal aliens? Bizarre, right? It defies logic, right?

First, I'd guess many key Republicans are being bribed. Secondly, I believe many key Republicans are being blackmailed. Whether they are having affairs, or secretly gay, or stealing taxpayer money, the National Security Agency knows everything.

Ask former House Speaker Dennis Hastert about that. The government even knew he was withdrawing large sums of his own money from his own bank account. The NSA, the SEC, the IRS, and all the other three-letter government agencies are watching every Republican political leader. They surveil everything. Thirdly, many Republicans are petrified of being called racists, so they are scared to ever criticize Obama or call out his crimes, let alone demand his impeachment. Fourth , why rock the boat? After defeat or retirement, if you’re a good old boy, you’ve got a $5 million-per-year lobbying job waiting. The big-money interests have the system gamed. Win or lose, they win.

But Trump doesn’t play by any of these rules. Trump breaks up this nice, cozy relationship between big government, big media, and big business. All the rules are out the window if Trump wins the Presidency. The other politicians will protect Obama and his aides but not Trump. Remember: Trump is the guy who publicly questioned Obama's birth certificate. He questioned Obama's college records and how a mediocre student got into an Ivy League university. Now, he's doing something no Republican has the chutzpah to do. He's questioning our relationship with Mexico; he's questioning why the border is wide open; he's questioning why no wall has been built across the border; he's questioning if allowing millions of illegal aliens into America is in our best interests; he's questioning why so many illegal aliens commit violent crimes, yet are not deported; and he's questioning why our trade deals with Mexico, Russia and China are so bad.

Trump has the audacity to ask out loud why American workers always get the short end of the stick. Good question! I'm certain Trump will question what happened to the almost billion dollars given in a rigged no-bid contract to college friends of Michelle Obama at foreign companies to build the defective Obamacare website. By the way, that tab is now up to $5 billion. Trump will ask if Obamacare's architects can be charged with fraud for selling it by lying. Trump will investigate Obama's widespread IRS conspiracy, not to mention Obama's college records. Trump will prosecute Clinton and Obama for fraud committed to cover up Benghazi before the election. How about the fraud committed by employees of the Labor Department when they made up dramatic job numbers in the last jobs report before the 2012 election?

Obama, the multinational corporations and the media need to stop Trump. They recognize this could get out of control. If left unchecked, telling the raw truth and asking questions everyone else is afraid to ask, Trump could wake a sleeping giant. Trump's election would be a nightmare. Obama has committed many crimes. No one else but Trump would dare to prosecute. He will not hesitate. Once Trump gets in and gets a look at the cooked books and Obama's records, the game is over. The goose is cooked. Holder could wind up in prison. Jarrett could wind up in prison. Obama bundler Corzine could wind up in prison for losing $1.5 billion of customer money. Clinton could wind up in jail for deleting 32,000 emails or for accepting bribes from foreign governments while Secretary of State, or for misplacing $6 billion as the head of the State Department, or for lying about Benghazi. The entire upper level management of the IRS could wind up in prison.

Obamacare will be de-funded and dismantled. Obama himself could wind up ruined, his legacy in tatters. Trump will investigate. Trump will prosecute. Trump will go after everyone involved. That’s why the dogs of hell have been unleashed on Donald Trump.

Yes, it's become open season on Donald Trump. The left and the right are determined to attack his policies, harm his businesses, and, if possible, even keep him out of the coming debates. But they can't silence him. And they sure can't intimidate him. The more they try, the more the public will realize that he's the one telling the truth".

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It is a hoax. It isn't anywhere close to Bennett's writing style.

I would agree with Bob. Grammatical mistakes and punctuation errors tell me it isn't Bill Bennett.

Besides that, I don't believe the progs are afraid of Trump. Likely because he is one of them. There has been no epiphany, no changing of positions. Trump is a loose cannon that needs to be stopped. Too bad Rubio and Cruz are so late to the Trump-bashing game. Their campaign people made a serious error in judgment thinking that Trump would flame out. Their first clue should have been the Obama-like minions that prostrate themselves at his feet. They love him for all the reasons that are being talked about, but mostly because he isn't part of the corrupt system inside the beltway. He is, however, leading his own corrupt system outside the beltway that uses politicians, only too happy to take his money, to make him wealthier.

And now the boob from New Jersey, who never had a coherent thought when he was on stage, has endorsed him. Guess it would have looked bad for Christie to endorse Rubio after he ripped him in a debate. He also would have likely stopped reaping the rewards Trump lavishes on Atlantic City.

Although it wasn't Bennett who wrote that (and I wonder why the writer decided he needed more creds for it), it does make some good points.

I wonder, if Trump is elected, will Sharpton really leave? I doubt it. Too bad.

That email is about as legit as Trump being a Republican.

I am a fan of John Derbyshire. It seems that he has mostly stopped writing, sadly, so I am stuck reading excerpts from his weekly podcasts.

This one, from January, does a decent job of explaining the appeal of Trump:

http://www.vdare.com/articles/weird-ame ... girly-boys

For those who are unfamiliar with Derbyshire, he's a current American citizen who was born and raised British, and now lives in New York. At some point in the 80's, he went to China and married a local woman, then brought her back here to the States. I don't always agree with him, but I do appreciate his input.

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It will be interesting to see if Trump gets mired down in the latest scandal over tax returns and his failed Trump University endeavor. So far, the Teflon on his backside has been thick enough to protect him from his enemies in both parties.

My opinion is that this will be his downfall, which will make way for Rubio to become the GOP establishment's darling.

The appeal of Trump is his unfettered mouth, IMHO.

Found the piece that got Derb terminated. I can see why the scared white-guys at NR decided that free speech is what they deem acceptable. What his termination really means is that Lowery et al. don't trust the person of average intelligence (regardless of skin color) to recognize free speech and THINK about what Derb wrote. What they expected was a ferocious backlash for something that would be deemed so racist that NR might not recover from it.

For the record . . .

Lol, I put the piece that got Derb terminated over on the BLM thread. It seems appropriate.

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Trump has a different appeal to different people, I think. I, myself, have wanted to be a Trump supporter. He's got some points in my book. Still, I have a nagging distrust of him.

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