Virginia Gun Owners Forum - VGOF

OBTW, "derailment" suggests a wreck. I would think more along the lines of "sidetracked".

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I'm always amazed of the extent of govt waste. Whenever I see that a new school is proposed to be built, and it costs 50 million, or the route 29 intersection at 270 million, I feel a heartburn. I wonder that is the profit rate for the contractors, and how much the taxes will increase for all this.

Ok, sidetracked; not derailed, lol.

I actually don't mind paying taxes. As was pointed out, taxes are necessary for the government to function.

What I DO mind, however, is a government that is a poor steward of our tax dollars.

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SHMIV wrote:Ok, sidetracked; not derailed, lol.

I actually don't mind paying taxes. As was pointed out, taxes are necessary for the government to function.

What I DO mind, however, is a government that is a poor steward of our tax dollars.

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AMEN from the peanut gallery.

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I know a lot of individuals don't thinking training should be required to carry a firearm since it is a right but I am not one of those. I personally think that there should be some type of basic safety and maintenance class required before you can purchase your first firearm and that a shop should be required to go over how to field strip a firearm with the new owner before they leave the store if the owner does not know how to do it. There are a lot of individuals who are really into firearms and have families who are as well (people on this forum for example) but there are also a lot of people going out and buying their first firearm who have never seen one in person much less handled one.
I know that I am capable of handling my firearms but I have no way of knowing if the guy next to me is open carrying a brand new handgun that he just picked up at the store this morning has ever handled a gun before he set foot in that store. For example my nephew thinks he knows everything about firearms because he shot an air rifle when he was 8 in the boy scouts and plays video games (he's 16). He asked to look at my handgun and couldn't even tell me how to use it besides "point it at something and pull the trigger" (yes, I made sure to clear it and remove all ammo from the area before letting him handle it), I would be horrified if I found out he went out an bought a handgun and was carrying it around as I know it would just be a matter of time before he succeeded in either shooting himself or someone else because he doesn't know how to properly handle it.

Having some sort of basic training for all gun owners would at least mean that everyone has a basic knowledge of how to use and care for their firearms. You would think that a seller would review this basic information at the time of sale but not all do.

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Most I know will, if asked.

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If you ask they usually will. The problem is when you get an idiot like my nephew who thinks they already know everything there is to know. I've made purchases where they don't even ask - all they care is that you pay and pass the check then let you walk right out.

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We can't say "Our Rights are inalienable and shall NOT be infringed", and then volunteer to have your rights infringed upon.

At look at the Second Amendment in context. That is, a document that lays out laws limiting the power of the government, not the power of the people. The people in this country have lost sight of the purpose of our Constitution.

@ Nevermore1: When your idiot nephew decides to carry, the onus will be on him to train and learn his responsibilities. You could help out but it is, ultimately, his responsibility. That's what comes with rights...responsibilities.

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At this point I don't care how "common sense" something sounds. No, no, no, hell no, and get off my lawn!


With a gov't that takes words like "shall not be infringed" and turns it into "let's regulate it out of existence." Nothing is "common sense anymore".

The gov't is out of control and has been for a few generations now.

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Yep