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I didn't watch the video because YouTube doesn't work on my phone, but I am very fimiliar with it based on the description. I have to ask, is it the long version where after he put a round in his leg, he tries to convince the class he's okay, goes for the AK, and everyone starts yelling "NO" and start leaving the room? That one is the best.

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FiremanBob wrote:There is nothing about Glocks that makes them inherently more dangerous, and certainly no "recipe" for negligent discharges. One NEVER puts one's finger inside the trigger guard until the mag is dropped, the slide has been locked open and the chamber checked for clear.

It is that simple.

the only thing that elevates the risk with Glocks and most other striker fired pistols is the fact that you have to pull the trigger to disassemble them. Since they are probably the most common semi-automatic pistol in use by police departments in the US, the odds are if there is a accidental/negligent discharge it will involve a Glock. The same kind of generalization would apply if it an accident involving a shotgun, most police departments field Remington 870s, or auto accidents involving the police a few years ago and guessing the car involves was a Ford Crown Victoria.

That says more about drawing invalid statistical conclusions than it does about Glocks.

The rule is very simple. Three steps to verify the firearm is safe - no matter what kind of firearm it is. I believe in zero tolerance for unsafe handling of firearms, but I put it in the positive: I insist on 100% use of safe handling practices. I can't imagine why anyone with a sense of self-respect would do otherwise.

I'm with you. Zero excusable reason for a negligent discharge. You point it in a safe direction, drop the mag, rack the slide, hold it open, make sure there is nothing but fresh air in the chamber. Only then, do you ride it forward, while still pointing in a safe direction without any parts of anyone's body in the way, then pull the trigger. Its really easy.

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MarcSpaz wrote:I'm with you. Zero excusable reason for a negligent discharge. You point it in a safe direction, drop the mag, rack the slide, hold it open, make sure there is nothing but fresh air in the chamber. Only then, do you ride it forward, while still pointing in a safe direction without any parts of anyone's body in the way, then pull the trigger. Its really easy.

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It's so easy that it sounds suspicious when reported as a "cleaning accident"... As others have already stated.

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Exactly! And didn't this guys parents ever teach him that every gun is always loaded? Where was that Perl of wisdom?

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FiremanBob wrote:Another brain-dead "journalist" with a lefty agenda. Guns do not "go off".

In defense of the reporter, I would guess this is what Capt. Michael Ronan told the reporter and/or investigating offcer(s) and that information was communicated as the 'reason' for the incident.

My Grandfather is a retired reporter; I doubt that he would defend this reporter. Shoddy journalism, at best.

To say that "the gun went off" has a different implication than if you were to say, "the gun was fired due to a negligent discharge."

In the former, the gun is implied to have fired by itself. In the latter, the suggestion is that the gun was fired because someone was being careless. To simplify, in the former, the gun is at fault; the latter, a person is at fault.

If you are anti-gun, and want to portray guns as scary things, which phrasing is scarier?

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