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I fear that the civilized tools mentioned above have been deftly taken from oir grasp, and I keep looking at my Culpeper flag.

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In no way, words or implied am I advocating for a revolution or act of subversion. Let them fire the first shot. My thoughts posted were inline with my thinking of time spent, went all over the world not always fighting many times helping others with fresh water, medical, food and building communities that work together.

Bailey960 wrote: Yep, which Is why I've pretty much gotten to the point where I vote "any damn-body-else" everytime, regardless of who's running.


Why? Beacuse it is. Makes a nice little sound bite but it's more complicated. First, MOST people far outlive what they pay in = it's ain't their damn money, it's welfare. Same, same. Second, a HUGE portion of the SSA payouts are entitlements. Disability & other payments - that's where we need to make the cuts. Root out every POS that's claiming "disability" while they're not.


The armed forces is the simply a welfare system. What possible reason could we have for needing 400,000 + members? 99.99% of which are worthless. Want to fix the deficit? Simple, cut the biggest expense - the DOD. One assinine example - costs a BILLION $$$$ a year to operate a carrier...and we have how many? The BS excuse is we need to "project power"......wow, really? Is there anyone on the planet who isn't aware we can reach out & touch them anywhere on the planet.

A raise? Give me a f'n break. An E7 puts in a loan application......$2,000 a month listed as a housing allowance. So there's welfare, a f'n free mortgage payment & a nice one at that. Add in medical, clothing, and a child allowance = welfare, same as the others you mention. Not bad for someone who just likely couldn't figure out anything better to do.

Cut the deficit & eliminate the welfare - cut the DOD down to the bones, a handful of special ops groups & a few other useful groups.

Boy are you really off base, discourteous, and ungrateful to those who have decided to lay down their life for you if need be! If ANYONE deserves the benefits they've been promised its those who willingly lay their lives on the line so you can have a free country. (let's not get into HOW the military is used, those are political decisions, not military.) How unappreciative.

Then I saw your sig line, and I understand your opinion is worth exactly what I paid for it. ZERO.

Jeff82 wrote:

Bailey960 wrote: Yep, which Is why I've pretty much gotten to the point where I vote "any damn-body-else" everytime, regardless of who's running.


Why? Beacuse it is. Makes a nice little sound bite but it's more complicated. First, MOST people far outlive what they pay in = it's ain't their damn money, it's welfare. Same, same. Second, a HUGE portion of the SSA payouts are entitlements. Disability & other payments - that's where we need to make the cuts. Root out every POS that's claiming "disability" while they're not.


The armed forces is the simply a welfare system. What possible reason could we have for needing 400,000 + members? 99.99% of which are worthless. Want to fix the deficit? Simple, cut the biggest expense - the DOD. One assinine example - costs a BILLION $$$$ a year to operate a carrier...and we have how many? The BS excuse is we need to "project power"......wow, really? Is there anyone on the planet who isn't aware we can reach out & touch them anywhere on the planet.

A raise? Give me a f'n break. An E7 puts in a loan application......$2,000 a month listed as a housing allowance. So there's welfare, a f'n free mortgage payment & a nice one at that. Add in medical, clothing, and a child allowance = welfare, same as the others you mention. Not bad for someone who just likely couldn't figure out anything better to do.

Cut the deficit & eliminate the welfare - cut the DOD down to the bones, a handful of special ops groups & a few other useful groups.

Boy are you really off base, discourteous, and ungrateful to those who have decided to lay down their life for you if need be! If ANYONE deserves the benefits they've been promised its those who willingly lay their lives on the line so you can have a free country. (let's not get into HOW the military is used, those are political decisions, not military.) How unappreciative.

Then I saw your sig line, and I understand your opinion is worth exactly what I paid for it. ZERO.

Wow

I've been paying into SS for 30yrs. If I live long enough to start collecting at 70, that will be 55yrs of paying SS. What will I receive in return payments..? 5-10yrs if Im lucky ? I will hardly consider it welfare if I actually make it to a payment.

Pretty harsh comments on military people. yikes. Especially when you consider plenty of em pay for those benefits with their lives, or health. Those housing allowances are for married families & vary from area to area depending on the cost of living in the area they are stationed.

"not bad for someone who just likely couldn't figure out anything better to do" HOLY COW.... Ever stop & think that plenty of our young people actually want to serve our country...? Most don't join for the benefits, or the pay. There's plenty of careers paying a LOT more than the military, with considerably less risk to life or limb.

I personally believe that, the size of our military & their capabilities prevent much more kaos, & homeland attacks from happening than would otherwise. There's lots of people in the world who would do us harm if they had the chance, or thought they could get away with it.

Just off the top of my head, with a pared down military
1. most of Europe would be speaking German,
2. the Iranians wouldn't have released the hostages when Reagan took office,
3. the USSR would still be in existence and stronger than ever,
4. the Bay of Pigs never would have happened and we'd still have nukes 90 miles off the tip of Florida,
5. This one may be a stretch, but we might still be paying taxes to the British Royal Monarchy.

I'm sure there is much more to add to this list.

You can have, and express, an opinion without being disrespectful to those of us who did serve. Thanks for considering that in your future posts.

I hope never to meet in person, Bailey960. Should that happen and we somehow learn one another's identity/affiliation with this site, I'll be polite - but one of us will need to go in a different direction quickly.

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Bailey960 wrote:Dude, I usually agree with you on a lot of stuff... but you are way off right there. Its not welfare, its Congress Approved theft!!!...............

It would seem I wasn't clear, I don't have much of a problem with SS........I DO have a serious issue with the entitlements they pay out - that's the waste of $$$. How much more solevent would it be if they only paid out for reitrees?

I was a silly ponzie scheme to begin with (not the creators only criminal act either). You create the same system & you'll go to jail. New members pay in & older members collect......sounds like a pyramid scheme to me. Yep, bad enough for current folks (I think I've been bumped to 67).........can you imagine what it will be like for the next generation?

MarcSpaz wrote:.......The truth is, I'm getting robbed for half a million dollars or MORE. I could retire for 28 years on $600,000 at $21k a year. And If I had that $600,000+ to invest in the markets, I may be able to retire perpetually on more like $45k a year.

Yep. You'll note who goes absolutely apesh*t when allowing the average citizen to manage their own funds gets mentioned............that's because they're way too stupid to handle it.

If we really want to get PO'd let's talk about Congress. It's what? (I forget exactly) TWO terms as a congressman & you get a full pension? Maybe it's not two but it's not many, sweet deal work for 4-6 years & get a nice lifetime pension.

Bailey, you may wish to take into consideration that a large portion of VGOF consists of military, either currently serving or veteran (including our founder).

Many more of us, while not military ourselves, are very close to people who are.

I expect that you will find a similar makeup on other gun forums.

Just a friendly heads up.

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SHMIV wrote:Bailey, you may wish to take into consideration that a large portion of VGOF consists of military, either currently serving or veteran (including our founder).

Many more of us, while not military ourselves, are very close to people who are.

I expect that you will find a similar makeup on other gun forums.

Just a friendly heads up.

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Yup

Every generation dating back to the American Revolution here. Have a marine son, & a son leaving for Parris Island in a couple weeks.

Man... I need to read more. I read the SS part and didn't read the rest because I thought it was just more of the same. It wasn't until I saw Jeff's post that I went back and read it.

Bailey, WTF dude? That is, by far, the most insulting and uncalled for thing I have seen anyone post here. Some of the others are kinda beating around the bush, but I'll tell you flat out, you're an a$$hole and the opinion of many is likely that you should take a break from the keyboard/forum for a little while. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Agreeing with Marc, 100% on this one.

I have never found a government program that works as well as a private one. Profit is a motivator. I am not against someone making a profit doing it faster, better, and for less.

The level of bureacracy associated with retirement, and retirement accounts is attrocious. How about just saying, "You know what? You're an American who has lived to be 70 years old. No more taxation of your income for you, no more fees for driving, or hunting, or fishing. Once more, the only thing you have to pay for as a citizen are things associated with retirement."

Interesting post Bailey thus this is a right you have because those of us with skin in the game are willing to stand in harms way so you do not have to be whipped, stoned, burnt, beheaded or thrown off a building for your free speech and or values. You have only solidified my point, it is precisely people like yourself that we keep coming home to and do a double take asking ourselves WTF changed here while I was gone? Any how this is why good men will see that we are needed in our home communities and giving back in the form of leadership. Stay frosty.

AnkleBiter wrote:Interesting post Bailey thus this is a right you have because those of us with skin in the game are willing to stand in harms way so you do not have to be whipped, stoned, burnt, beheaded or thrown off a building for your free speech and or values. You have only solidified my point, it is precisely people like yourself that we keep coming home to and do a double take asking ourselves WTF changed here while I was gone? Any how this is why good men will see that we are needed in our home communities and giving back in the form of leadership. Stay frosty.

Save the rhetoric for someone who can't read a history book. The last credible threat to freedom in this country was 1812. There is a new one looming but it won't be using bullets, it'll be waged with ones & zeros (fwiw we're getting our ass kicked).

Enlighten me, when (you cans use all human history) has bullets been affective against ideology? Never has, never will be. To use a previous reference King George tried.....how'd that go for him? It doesn't work. Eisenhower warned of the military industrial complex, we didn't listen & now we pay. Wait until you see what the companies who run the prisons in the US have in store.

But then I understand, it's "freedom of speech" for all those opinions except those I don't like. Sorry, I differ when I raised my hand it was for all, especially those whos opinions I don't such as those who love the confederate battle flag, wear sheets, or shave their heads. But then I don't find those people nearly as scary as the guy driving the pickup with the 4' x 6' flag mounted in the back.

You welcome to all the free speach you want in a public area ir your home, but this site is private property and privately funded. When you start insult the own the the financial stakeholders, you may lose what privileges you have mistaken for rights.

And to make it worse, you are 100% completely and totally wrong about the expense of the military being our biggest financial burden. Its actually healthcare. Over $4.75 trillion dollars was spent on healthcare in the US last year. That's almost $1 trillion more that the US government spent for 100% of everything the did.

So, if you want totalk poop about the government messing something up, tell your reps to pass laws that force interstate free market healthcare and health insurance or get the hell out of the way, because Government theft of fund and interference in free market is the real problem. It sure as hell isn't all the men you took a bullet for you to act like and asshat and not get killed or jailed for it.

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MarcSpaz wrote:......You welcome to all the free speach you want in a public area ir your home, but this site is private property and privately funded. When you start insult the own the the financial stakeholders, you may lose what privileges you have mistaken for rights. ..........

I gather reading comprehension isn't in your skill set. Where did I say it was a right? Previous quote was about losing freemdom of speach in general terms - nothing to do with a web site.

And yes, you're quite correct they can kick me off at any time, their house & their control.

Lmao - um, ah nice numbers you came up with. Magic? No relation to what the govt spend, that's total healtcare spending & it ain't going anywhere no matter who foots the bill. Go ahead, remove medicare, give that a shot - I'll bet the boomers will a tad bit angry (hate to break it to ya but a lot of them own guns & vote).

Govt end of it, make it easy for ya, no comprehension required pie chart -

https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budg ... /spending/

Biggest chunk of the budget is the DOD. Lmao, sound just like everyone else who sucks off the govt teat...."CUT THOSE $%^&*( PROGRAMS..............just don't cut my pet program".

Comical spouting off about "need to keep my weapons in case the govt needs overthrowing.......". Um, ah, exactly who do you think you'll be fighting?

MarcSpaz wrote:....... It sure as hell isn't all the men you took a bullet for you to act like and asshat and not get killed or jailed for it.......

Lmao, can't quite grasp it can ya. Regardless of what the "watchout for the boogeyman" koolaid says nobody took a bullet for me, for you, or for any damn body. They took a bullet for oil & to keep the $$$$ rolling in for DOD suppliers. Or is it idiot Palin's "there over there doing God's work?" Lmao, newflash that's exactly what the muslims think.

Do a little research on where members of congress have their money invested & get back to me on "defending America".

Well, so much for winning friends and influencing people.

Considering that military spending is Constitutionally sanctioned, I'll continue to support it.

Further, I will continue to be appreciative of the men and women who volunteer for military service.

That's all I will say on the matter.

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Bailey960 wrote: The armed forces is the simply a welfare system. What possible reason could we have for needing 400,000 + members? 99.99% of which are worthless. Want to fix the deficit? Simple, cut the biggest expense - the DOD. One assinine example - costs a BILLION $$$$ a year to operate a carrier...and we have how many? The BS excuse is we need to "project power"......wow, really? Is there anyone on the planet who isn't aware we can reach out & touch them anywhere on the planet.

A raise? Give me a f'n break. An E7 puts in a loan application......$2,000 a month listed as a housing allowance. So there's welfare, a f'n free mortgage payment & a nice one at that. Add in medical, clothing, and a child allowance = welfare, same as the others you mention. Not bad for someone who just likely couldn't figure out anything better to do.

Cut the deficit & eliminate the welfare - cut the DOD down to the bones, a handful of special ops groups & a few other useful groups.

You sir are a complete idiot. My son in law is in the Navy and with a little one here they barely make it. I often chip in to help them even though I am on the opposite coast. Pull your head from your ass.

Bailey. You are an idiot.

Those numbers I quoted came straight from Government statistics. The HHS/USPHS takes up more than 34%of the Federal tax budget (about $1t) and healthcare represent almost 23% of the GDP in 2014, a jump from 16% just 2 years ago... and its all driven by intrusive laws like the Affordable Healthcare and Patient Protection Act.

And I willing to guess, regardless of who you ask, you aren't going to find a service member who said they joined the military to help war profiteers get rich, they did it to keep this country safe.

There is serious something wrong with you dude.

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MarcSpaz wrote:Bailey. You are an idiot.

Those numbers I quoted came straight from Government statistics. The HHS/USPHS takes up more than 34%of the Federal tax budget (about $1t) and healthcare represent almost 23% of the GDP in 2014, a jump from 16% just 2 years ago... and its all driven by intrusive laws like the Affordable Healthcare and Patient Protection Act.

And I willing to guess, regardless of who you ask, you aren't going to find a service member who said they joined the military to help war profiteers get rich, they did it to keep this country safe.

There is serious something wrong with you dude.

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He is an obvious liberal troll intentionally trying to cause trouble.

Take you own advice and do some research... And not on some BS website like the one you linked. You obviously have know idea what you are talking about when it comes to this countries budget, spending or its military.

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