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scott9050 wrote:From what I have gathered from various sites:
1. He was refused entry into an Irish pub and became belligerent. Irish pub called police.
2. When police got there he was witnessed being belligerent and drunk. One officer lead him by the arm off to the side.
3. Mr. Honor roll called the cop all sorts of names and then tried to pull away. That is when they took him down and cuffed him.

Had this idiot not been breaking the law while drunk he would not have face planted.

All of this is part of Obama's plan to bring all police under Federal jurisdiction which is scary as hell.

This sounds pretty accurate from what I have read as well.

dorminWS wrote:Are they sure this helps?

http://president.virginia.edu/speeches- ... ice-apprey

Have you ever noticed how each side can make such precise statements without admitting any wrong-doing and never cross the line about their subject?

Why aren't there any videos? Someone always has a cellphone taking videos.

I have to ask because I can't find out: Is Elizabeth Daly black?

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scott9050 wrote:From what I have gathered from various sites:
1. He was refused entry into an Irish pub and became belligerent. Irish pub called police.
2. When police got there he was witnessed being belligerent and drunk. One officer lead him by the arm off to the side.
3. Mr. Honor roll called the cop all sorts of names and then tried to pull away. That is when they took him down and cuffed him.

Had this idiot not been breaking the law while drunk he would not have face planted.

All of this is part of Obama's plan to bring all police under Federal jurisdiction which is scary as hell.

This isn't entirely true. According to the Charlottesville Police Chief, CPD was not present. This was an arrest by Va ABC agents, the same people involved in a $212k settlement last year for drawing their weapons on another student when they thought the bottled water she purchased was beer.

I go back to my original question: why does a state regulatory agency have an armed police force? The agency should be made up of a bunch of paper pushers and inspection report filers.

http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/ ... 30851.html

Actually, the ABC should not exist. That it does is a great example of how government's appetite leads inevitably to corruption. The Commonwealth's government is addicted to the profits from the ABC stores, so it will never reform.

WRW wrote:I have to ask because I can't find out: Is Elizabeth Daly black?

Do you mean this one?
http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2014/03 ... ght-water/

wittmeba wrote:

WRW wrote:I have to ask because I can't find out: Is Elizabeth Daly black?

Do you mean this one?
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Yeah, thanks. That kinda takes the wind out of the racial profiling sails.

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WRW wrote: Yeah, thanks. That kinda takes the wind out of the racial profiling sails.

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Just because she's not POC doesn't mean she doesn't hate white people.

And can someone tell me why ANY school or university would have a "Diversity & Equity" or an "African-American Affairs" department? Is there a White-American Affairs department? Or for someone like H.... an American-American department?

Lets set the example of equality of all by the promotion of exclusionary behavior, promoting racism and the creation and use divergent organizations. That should fix everything.

MarcSpaz wrote:

WRW wrote: Yeah, thanks. That kinda takes the wind out of the racial profiling sails.

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Just because she's not POC doesn't mean she doesn't hate white people.

I think you have WRW comment backwards. I suspect he meant that she is not black so they can't claim that the LEO's were profiling.

And can someone tell me why ANY school or university would have a "Diversity & Equity" or an "African-American Affairs" department? Is there a White-American Affairs department? Or for someone like H.... an American-American department?...

Oh, and how dare you! Expecting equality...did you fall off a banana truck yesterday (with sarcasm, of course)? When is White History Month - I forgot.

We're not allowed to have a month because its such a privilege to be white, remember.

You need to check your privilege for even asking, you racist SOB. [/sarcasm]

"White Privilege"... That just bothers me. If there is such a thing, then I missed out, because I have nothing that came to be by privilege.

What I have, came via hard work. I suspect that the fact that I tend to dress appropiately for work probably helped, and it probably doesn't hurt that I'm fairly decent with the English language. But speaking and dressing appropriately, and working, has nothing to do with whiteness; it's just part of being a productive member of society.

Tell me about it brother. Some of the stuff people come up with to justify their own shortcomings is never-ending. It's never their own fault. It has to be because someone or group of someones that is holding them down. Such crap.

Everyone has a choice. You make bad choices, you pay the consequences. Pretty simple, but I wouldn't expect a third-year student at UVA who is member of the Honor Committee to understand anything about personal accountability.

MarcSpaz wrote:We're not allowed to have a month because its such a privilege to be white, remember.

You need to check your privilege for even asking, you racist SOB. [/sarcasm]

I have never been face planted by a cop, but then again I have never called a cop multiple racist names while drunk.

Now the pub owner has come out saying "He wasn't drunk when he approached our door."

(shakes head) Stay out of sh't that ain't your business.

Reverenddel wrote:Now the pub owner has come out saying "He wasn't drunk when he approached our door."

(shakes head) Stay out of sh't that ain't your business.

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Of course he did. But then he has to worry about whether the rabidly pro-Martese Johnson majority of the students who pubcrawl on the Corner will stop going there because he called the cops on poor Martese. And, by the way, if he wasn't drunk, why DID they call the cops?

Also, there is a comment on the CD article linked in the OP that alleges Martese has a history of getting into confrontations and then calling his opponent a racist.

Bottom line? No way to know who to believe, so most folks will believe who/what they are predisposed to.

Too bad the ABC Agents don't wear body cameras!

I'm so sick and tired of race being used as a weapon, and the same folks claiming to be victims. Who else is sick of this crap? My black friends, my Latino friends, my Asian friends, my African friends...

Of course they're all conservative or hard core libertarian, so that might explain some things...

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Pub owner is speaking out because he was checking IDs at the door. Kinda makes his statement relevant.

Cops were not called. ABC agents were already in the area because of St Patrick's Day.

http://wtvr.com/2015/03/23/trinity-iris ... dy-arrest/

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Well, that puts a whole new spin on things for me. ABC was looking for trouble so decided to invent some? Interesting to see where this goes.

You'll just have to forgive me if I continue to be skeptical of what the owner of the pub says, because I still suspect he's trying to insure his establishment doesn't lose the custom of the corner pub-crawlers. But this does indeed make Martese's hands look cleaner. Perhaps my suspicion that he was drunk, attempting to use a fake ID and may have waxed boisterous with the constabulary is colored by my own rather tumultuous undergraduate experience.

I think the degree of force was pretty clearly excessive and shocking. But I still think that's more likely to be a symptom of the militarization of some police and their attitudes towards the members of the general public they encounter in the course of their duties and/or a bad culture at ABC than of racism. The gratuitous playing of the race card reflects discredit on all concerned. I saw an article in the paper today reprinted from the Washington Post where a journalist was talking about the dark cloud hovering over UVa because of the murder of the girl, then the firing and rehiring of the President, then the Rolling Stone "gang-rape" hoax , and now the brutalization of Martese. Of course, she also decried that UVa didn't admit blacks until 1950 and didn't admit women until 1970. She generally created the impression that something was really wrong at UVa. Of course, except for the Presidential firing/unfiring fiasco, NONE OF THIS HAD ANY MORE THAN A TANGENTIAL CONNECTION TO UVA. All this gabbling about racism gives idiots like her an excuse to derogate a fine institution totally without justification.