Coming to a Comcast router near you!

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Re: Coming to a Comcast router near you!

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j1mmyd wrote: And before this turns into an argument over qualifications, I'm not a trained RF Engineer.
I live/work in the RF space both professionally and personally. So we both know some RF...

The range vs bandwidth on 802.11n is such that non-household users would likely have to be fairly close to your AP to utilize it at a rate exceeding what is available over the air on a LTE network. Add a few walls, siding, brick, concrete floor, and the inversion point is likely to be less than 200 feet from AP to client device. Unless you are in a bad cell coverage area.

Usage might be a problem if you had a 2nd floor city apartment over a popular cafe that didn't offer wifi service, but in that case you're already in a fairly dense RF environment, with lots of devices, and channel contention already. So a few additional devices are not likely to make an appreciable difference in your net experience, and there are also likely other Comcast customers near by who would share the load.

If you are a suburban dweller, the end-user would need to be parked in your driveway, or in the street in front of the house. If they moved 100' in any direction, the would likely land on another Comcast customers AP.

There really is a simple solution to all of this... replace Comcast's provided cable modem/AP with your own.
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@j1mmyd & jdonovan:

Whether the best analogy is apartments or parking spaces, and even granting that Comcast can rent you a box and still retain the use of a portion of it without telling you about it, Comcast is still using YOUR premises and YOUR electricity to conduct COMCAST'S business unrelated to their service to YOU and to the benefit of third parties. That is over the line in my opinion, and falls somewhere between grossly unethical conduct and the common law tort of conversion. In fact, if you steal electricity from the electric company, it is a CRIME. For that matter, try stealing cable from Comcast and see how fast you get prosecuted; so you can also add hypocrisy to Comcast's list of sins.
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j1mmyd wrote:(The discussion of modem, router, AP & NAT services and devices are outside the scope this response. They are all separate functions, sometimes combined inside single boxes. Call the box whatever you want. APs manage/broker all wireless communications in this scenario.)
I really didn't want to get into that detail either. For home use, there are typically only two options... a Switch/AP/Firewall/Router combo or a Switch/AP/Firewall/Router/Modem combo. I don't know that the typical home user is going to got buy all separate components. The cost would be 4 or 5 times higher and way more complex for them to configure.

So, most of us just use laymen speak and assume everyone know what we are talking about. LOL
dorminWS wrote:@j1mmyd & jdonovan:

Whether the best analogy is apartments or parking spaces, and even granting that Comcast can rent you a box and still retain the use of a portion of it without telling you about it, Comcast is still using YOUR premises and YOUR electricity to conduct COMCAST'S business unrelated to their service to YOU and to the benefit of third parties. That is over the line in my opinion, and falls somewhere between grossly unethical conduct and the common law tort of conversion. In fact, if you steal electricity from the electric company, it is a CRIME. For that matter, try stealing cable from Comcast and see how fast you get prosecuted; so you can also add hypocrisy to Comcast's list of sins.
I am going to paraphrase a bit here...

Unfortunately, your end-user license agreement can change at any time and without notice. This little verbiage is in the original agreement you sign when you get their service. In the end-user license agreement, as a condition of use of their service, you basically forfeit all of your rights to sue them for any reason, including using your resources to provide services to others so they can lower their overhead and make more money.

To immunize myself from this, I own everything between the demarc in the street and my desktop. Even trenched my own cables.

The only other thing you can do... not buy their service and give them their stuff back.
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MarcSpaz wrote:
Unfortunately, your end-user license agreement can change at any time and without notice. This little verbiage is in the original agreement you sign when you get their service. In the end-user license agreement, as a condition of use of their service, you basically forfeit all of your rights to sue them for any reason, including using your resources to provide services to others so they can lower their overhead and make more money.
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There may be language there that purports to accomplish that end. But there are limits (at least theoretically) to what even the cable company can get away with. There is such a thing as an agreement being unenforceable as "unconscionable" and or a "contract of adhesion". The arrangement you reference ought to be held invalid under that rubric.
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Like you, I would like to think so. We'll see if it gets taken to court.

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jdonovan wrote: replace Comcast's provided cable modem/AP with your own.
^^^ This is "the move".
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WOW! Look what I started! :clap:
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Swampman wrote:WOW! Look what I started! :clap:
I know. And I found a couple people to pester about learning to use (legally) a couple radios I have laying around...
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