Nevada Ranch Standoff

[Swampman]

The government official who ordered the stand-down is to be commended for that decision. The BLM released a statement saying that they'll pursue a remedy through the legal system. Good for them.

[Taggure]

And that is where it should have been in the first place The Legal System.

Now that Harry Reid is outed maybe things will settle down. His son has been buying up land for his deal with the Chinese

http://www.libertynewsonline.com/article_301_35234.php
http://www.infowars.com/breaking-sen-ha ... ndy-ranch/
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/04 ... land-grab/
http://appalachianareanews.com/busted-b ... -stations/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QblyaMfQn0A

[Reverenddel]

After being bed ridden for 3 solid days with illness, and watching this. I can say three things:
1.) The Rancher waited too long to get this into the court of public opinion. After bringing it to the attention of the public, the BLM backed down. He should have been screaming to the high heavens for DECADES about this issue!

2.) The Guv'mint should never take up arms against citizens over finances. Unless someone is committing violence against someone/society, they should NEVER be authorized to use "SWAT" tactics. It's about money, put your ego, and your firearms up. This includes Local/State/Federal.

3.) Society is getting really tired of an overreaching government, but they are unwilling to do a muthafrakin' thing about it. Will this make anyone vote differently? Or demand the firing of the head of the BLM? Or even make people stand up, and demand more from those already in office? NOPE! Nah gonna happen!

[Newgunguy]

Not sure how many people actually use facebook on here but they are starting to block content being posted from youtube about this incident.

This is one of the major ones in question that you can't post and says it's unsafe!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_XqdQjTflc#t=39

Keep up the fight PATRIOTS!!

Charles.

[Riposite]

I think prima facie the ranch owner was wrong to the letter of the law -but we should have a discussion about why the BLM squeezes out ranchers over 20 years while okaying golf courses and resorts....but its obvious this rapid escalation of an issue they were coasting on for 20 years needs to be investigated - I haven't seen anything to firm but it definitely lends creedence to the Reid family dirty deals.

The real issue is and this is why I am glad that all those people showed up, is why the Bureau of Land Mangement felt the need to deploy swat style troops and snipers. In all my reading outside of his refusal to pay, its not like he or his family were taking potshots at rangers or etc.

This is the new normal, the government thinks we have no rights and are the enemy; and this started well before 9/11 (1990s under Clinton); living just outside DC I'm come to learn the bureaucrat class does not consider themselves servants of the public but think of themselves more as the ruling class, It is going to suck for a lot of us here in Virginia but we need a government shut down so we can start starving the beast before it strangles us. That's the intent though, we aren't citizens anymore, we are just lines to justify budgets.

[Rumson]

After being bed ridden for 3 solid days with illness, and watching this. I can say three things:
1.) The Rancher waited too long to get this into the court of public opinion. After bringing it to the attention of the public, the BLM backed down. He should have been screaming to the high heavens for DECADES about this issue!

2.) The Guv'mint should never take up arms against citizens over finances. Unless someone is committing violence against someone/society, they should NEVER be authorized to use "SWAT" tactics. It's about money, put your ego, and your firearms up. This includes Local/State/Federal.

3.) Society is getting really tired of an overreaching government, but they are unwilling to do a muthafrakin' thing about it. Will this make anyone vote differently? Or demand the firing of the head of the BLM? Or even make people stand up, and demand more from those already in office? NOPE! Nah gonna happen!

I don't post much and usually stay away from contradicting senior members of this forum. The follow up requires time I don't have.. However points 1 and 3 are not accurate..

People have been screaming for decades about it.. But the screams get no major press since the press are aligned with the actions of the Feds and various local/state governments to curry favor.. Research shows the press is aligned with government via business interests, ideology and actual marriage.. Minor press (bloggers etc) have been broadcasting for years but not enough people read it or listen to it.. Those that choose not to listen to alternative sources write off those who do as cranks and crack pots. Tin foil hattery as they say.. It's cool to be with the in crowd as they like to think..

The BLM/Federal/Cronyism overreach and the reaction to it falls squarely on the shoulders of those who control the information.. Those are the MSM which is supposed to be the unofficial 4th branch of government to keep the other three in check and the various official government bodies.. The MSM is the fifth column that now functions out in the open with little to no regard for factual reporting..

The overreach that is taking place has been slowed on this single instance only due to the rifle. Again, the rifle and those willing to use it.. The rifle and our second amendment rights.. The right guaranteed as a last resort against a tyrannical government. The rifle and the 2A.

It does not matter if the rancher is right or wrong. It is the overreach of the federal government and the singling out of this rancher when others walk away free for worse alleged crimes or actions. The ranchers philosophies do not align with the elite who run this country and those that are too stupid or unwilling to care for themselves.. We must never forget that..

[Viper21]

The BLM may have "stood down" for now..... but, if I was a betting man, & I am..... I'd bet they are regrouping. My opinion is that, this is FAR from over. I bet they backed off in an attempt to get all the militia types that showed up to leave peacefully. When the dust blows over, they come back.... hard, & fast, & out of the eyes & ears of countless cell phone cams, & witnesses.

Maybe I need heavier gauge tin foil for my hat but, that's what I think. It ain't over ......

[FiremanBob]

The "law" in this case is a good example of how the feds can create "laws" that are merely flimsy covers for official theft.

[MarcSpaz]

The BLM may have "stood down" for now..... but, if I was a betting man, & I am..... I'd bet they are regrouping. My opinion is that, this is FAR from over. I bet they backed off in an attempt to get all the militia types that showed up to leave peacefully. When the dust blows over, they come back.... hard, & fast, & out of the eyes & ears of countless cell phone cams, & witnesses.

Maybe I need heavier gauge tin foil for my hat but, that's what I think. It ain't over ......

I was thinking the same thing. Let all the commotion die down and in a few weeks, at 3:00 AM, Stormtroopers kick in the doors of the ranch and execute a "smash & grab" no knock warrant they get from some judge who has no right to be on the bench.

I expect people to die too. Likely Dad and the two sons.

I can hear it already... "he had a flashlight and I thought it was a shotgun" or "he attacked us and we had to defend ourselves" or the ever popular "oops".

[Taggure]

Not sure how many people actually use facebook on here but they are starting to block content being posted from youtube about this incident.

This is one of the major ones in question that you can't post and says it's unsafe!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_XqdQjTflc#t=39

Keep up the fight PATRIOTS!!

Charles.

I just linked your post to my facebook page and told everyone that facebook has deemed this video unsafe . I challenged the Unsafe classification and may lose my account because I dared question their actions, and told them that they were not supposed Censor or to be politicaly sided. You know that is not going to go over well.

[Taggure]

Here is a photo of a militia sniper that was monitoring the BLM Snipers and the armed troops during the stand-off, and I think that the caption has it about right

[mamabearCali]

The "law" in this case is a good example of how the feds can create "laws" that are merely flimsy covers for official theft.

This is really very serious. Laws have become unjust and not related to any moral code. It is now might makes right with little to no check on power.....very dangerous, for all. For us poor plebes it means we are just one law away from having everything taken with no recourse. For the people in charge, if the plebes figure this out they might just come for you! They plebes might just decide that if law has no meaning then might makes right and gather some friend to have a bigger might.

Let us all remember that every atrocity that has been done, every mass execution, every purposeful starvation of entire nations has always been done within the "law". Just cause it is "legal" does not make it moral or right. When one chooses the legal over the moral or the right, one has made a deal with the devil and will in this life, or the next, reap the fruit of that deal.

First off BLM was able to do this with almost absolute anonymity. Who were the snipers on the hill? Who were the people collecting guns. Who were the people threatening to shoot unarmed journalists? Who was the guy that had a dog attack a citizen? Their names should be known and broadcast. This anonymity is very dangerous.

One of the things that has always kept my actions in check when I was angry or scared was knowing my kids would have to live with what I did. Those willing to use brutal and lethal force to enforce immoral and unjust laws should feel the same sting. If one knows that one will have to answer for one's action and the kids and families will have to know "what daddy did" then perhaps there will be a check on those willing to enforce brutality.

There is a movie called "the inheritance" it follows an older woman who has had to deal with the reality that her father had been a nazi work camp administrator. He was hung when she was a baby. However the effects of his behavior on her life and the lives of her family were dramatic. "Every father should have to think about what he is doing and leaving to his children." Paraphrased.

Perhaps if those enforcing unjust laws knew their names would be known and they and theirs would have to live with their actions we would be in a more moderated society.

[dorminWS]

The "law" in this case is a good example of how the feds can create "laws" that are merely flimsy covers for official theft.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I once heard an old judge down in Kingsport, TN who was confronted with an attempted abuse of legal process to unjustly dispossess someone bang down the gavel and tell the Plaintiff's attorney that what he was trying to do was LEGAL STEALING, and it wasn't going to happen in his court. He ruled for the Defendant, assessed costs on the Plaintiff and sanctioned the Plaintiff's lawyer. We need some people like that old dude in the federal courts.

[0ne5hot]

I saw this today and thought it was amusing.

[MarcSpaz]

Here is a photo of a militia sniper that was monitoring the BLM Snipers and the armed troops during the stand-off, and I think that the caption has it about right

I posted this picture on Facebook and it was gone in minutes. I'm going to try it again and see what happens.

I also posted this...

Go to http://YouTube.com/v/ and play video a_XqdQjTflc

FaceBook is blocking the link for some reason.

[dorminWS]

I hope somebody showed this to Holder and Obama...............

[Taggure]

http://www.mrconservative.com/2014/04/3 ... ven-bundy/

To add to the situation, a private investigator by the name of Doug Hagmann is claiming that he has a source within the Department of Homeland Security that told him the stand down by the feds on Saturday was only temporary and designed to convince Bundy’s supporters that the situation was resolved.

He said that his source told him that the plan for releasing the cattle came on Friday and that what happened on Saturday was merely a test to assess the strength of the “resistance” from the militias and others who had gone to ranch to support Bundy.

No matter what was said, it’s safe to assume that the feds are doing nothing more than regrouping and finding a different method to go after the rancher. They never lose, they merely lick their wounds and come back fighting from a different angle.

[mamabearCali]

The FEDS don't lose well. There is no way this is over. It just got too hot at the moment.

On the facebook issue. We need a libertarian option. Where unless it is nudity you can post it. If you don't like it, click the don't show me again button.

Is there an option like that. Do we know of anyone smart enough to think of how to do that?

[MarcSpaz]

It's easy to do, but you don't win political favor by letting the People govern themselves.

[mamabearCali]

Still it is a free market is it not? If one could come up with a site similar in nature to facebook but without all the various censors over breastfeeding/various political issues etc etc etc......Twitter is a bit different than facebook, but is it as heavily controlled?