Another inbred redneck carrying an AR in Walmart

[dorminWS]

Guess I just misunderstood, WRW. No harm done, I reckon.

[Taggure]

+ 1 for Dromin and WRW; and I agree with what you are both are saying and I do think that the individual knew the possibility that he would be confronted. I am just glad that he handled it in a professional manner and was not an AH about it as that would not have helped either the OC or CC cause.
The argument on whether to OC or CC is an age old argument and it seems like (to me anyway) every time someone is shown to be OCing (especially if it is a rifle) they become AH's and in this case inbred rednecks because that is what they chose to carry. Growing up we always had a rifle, bow, or shotgun (with the occasional axe handle in the gun rack in the back window of the truck and no one even took a second glance. Why? Because it was accepted and the norm, but once everyone started getting so PC laws were passed and now everything has to locked up in a case as to not cause panic in the streets. But, life goes on and that is the world we live in. Please do not get me wrong I believe that there is a time and place to OC and CC but I think it is up to the individual to make that choice How, When and to Where they carry.

[Swampman]

I stand corrected and apologize to anyone that was offended. It was hastily posted and poorly thought out. I do, however, stand by my belief that carrying an AR in Walmart isn't the best decision. I also stand by my assertion that this guy was show-boating, looking for a confrontation, etc. There is only one reason to carry an AR in a shopping store and have someone film it. Listen to some of his comments in the video. He commented on how many people noticed him. He made comments about how quickly the bed-wetter showed up to escort him out. My guess is the other Walmart employee he was talking to lost his job within 24 hours.

If we are going to OC and CC, we have to do it in a manner that allows us to exercise our 2A rights, and as the guy in the video said, to respect the rights of others. Walking into Walmart with an AR slung over your shoulder does not help our cause one damn bit.

I promise I'll think before I post something like that again.

[Reverenddel]

I understand what you're saying... but keep in mind...

I are a redneck... I are an edumacated one... But I are one...

THAT is what we call a "TEXAN", not a REDNECK! They're a whole different breed. I guess if I lived that close to Mexico, I'd be a lil' Rooster to keep the border from creeping myself.

Don't think he should have done it,but I understand WHY!

[MarcSpaz]

Found out the guy is a Pastor...

http://www.khou.com/news/cnn/Pastor-car ... 97491.html

[JustinCase]

I OC every time I go to WalMart/HoodMart,but not a rifle!

Ill give him credit, balls of brass.. I wouldnt have done it, but from viewing the video... he at least did it right.

The manager, or whoever rushed to the rescue... Needs some testosterone injections IMHO... A little soft at the least.

JC

[Jakeiscrazy]

I don't think people understand business. If 10 people leave because of that guy OCing a rifle then it only makes sense for me to ask him to leave. If I were a business owner and you came into my place OCing a rifle I would ask you to leave because your scaring business away.

Walmart is no more your place to make a gun rights statement than it is the evangelical pastors place to launch into a sermon.

[MarcSpaz]

I don't think people understand business. If 10 people leave because of that guy OCing a rifle then it only makes sense for me to ask him to leave. If I were a business owner and you came into my place OCing a rifle I would ask you to leave because your scaring business away.

Walmart is no more your place to make a gun rights statement than it is the evangelical pastors place to launch into a sermon.

The problem with your theory is I do have a constitutional right to carry a gun AND to preach the gospel. LOL

I can understand not wanting your customers to run away. However, private business need to be a bit more open minded about this because the gun community are shoppers too.

Think about this; what if every retail store in the country established a "no guns" policy? What good is the right to carry if you can't bring it anywhere?

My biggest issue is that the media has turned legal gun ownership into a nightmare. Everywhere you go people automatically assume a person with a gun is about to start killing the masses in a bloody suicidal rage. This happening on the new is all the exposure many get.

That mindset is new thanks to current TV new coverage. From the founding of our country guns have been a part of out history and culture. Seeing someone with a gun 80-100 years ago was like seeing someone with a cell phone today. If more people like this good pastor don't expose more people to guns in a positive manor, the liberal gun grabbers will successfully use the media to outlaw guns.

[Remek]

It's true, our constitutional rights to free speech end on private property.

It's also true that Walmart's corporate policy is to allow this.

It's also true that people get scared and the guy wasn't acting unreasonably for asking the man to leave.

It's also true the masses were overreacting.

It's also [likely] true the pastor knew they'd overreact.

It's also true that if we all carry our firearms like that, Walmart will act like Starbucks did, and ask us to stop overdoing it.

How we resolve these differences, it occurs to me, must take another route than simple in-your-face demonstrations. The demonstrations are fine, but there should be more and better outreach, more and better teaching of the constitution, and more and better dissemination of the real facts on gun laws and restrictions and the increased dangers of not having guns.

[dorminWS]

I don't think people understand business. If 10 people leave because of that guy OCing a rifle then it only makes sense for me to ask him to leave. If I were a business owner and you came into my place OCing a rifle I would ask you to leave because your scaring business away.

Walmart is no more your place to make a gun rights statement than it is the evangelical pastors place to launch into a sermon.

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I'm no fan of Walmart, but Jakie is absolutely correct. The Walmart guy made the rational decision.

Remek is also right. As I said above, the preacher's actions are counterproductive. Advocates like him we don't need.

[WRW]

Maybe the pastor and the store could work out something agreeable to both...he plugs the store from the pulpit and they allow him to demonstrate at the door to the store.

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[MarcSpaz]

As I said above, the preacher's actions are counterproductive. Advocates like him we don't need.

The preacher knew what was going to happen, that's why the camera was going.

But lets take another situation.

I'm 100+ miles from home, on the way back from a hunting trip. I need to use the head, get some food, a map, and some gun cleaner. All of these items are at wal-mart. I don't have a trunk, i don't want to leave mt AR (which I have $3,000 into) laying in plain view because I don't want it stolen, nor to I want to arm a criminal in the process. It's an inanimate materialistic object. Why can't I take it in the store with me without getting tossed out when it's perfectly legal?

[WRW]

As I said above, the preacher's actions are counterproductive. Advocates like him we don't need.

The preacher knew what was going to happen, that's why the camera was going.

But lets take another situation.

I'm 100+ miles from home, on the way back from a hunting trip. I need to use the head, get some food, a map, and some gun cleaner. All of these items are at wal-mart. I don't have a trunk, i don't want to leave mt AR (which I have $3,000 into) laying in plain view because I don't want it stolen, nor to I want to arm a criminal in the process. It's an inanimate materialistic object. Why can't I take it in the store with me without getting tossed out when it's perfectly legal?

Should that scenario come to pass, remember that AV recording is your friend.

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[Remek]

^^^for that situation, I'd suggest you simply keep it in a case.

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[Remek]

^^^for that situation, I'd suggest you simply keep it in a case.

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[dorminWS]

As I said above, the preacher's actions are counterproductive. Advocates like him we don't need.

The preacher knew what was going to happen, that's why the camera was going.

But lets take another situation.

I'm 100+ miles from home, on the way back from a hunting trip. I need to use the head, get some food, a map, and some gun cleaner. All of these items are at wal-mart. I don't have a trunk, i don't want to leave mt AR (which I have $3,000 into) laying in plain view because I don't want it stolen, nor to I want to arm a criminal in the process. It's an inanimate materialistic object. Why can't I take it in the store with me without getting tossed out when it's perfectly legal?

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I agree with you on your scenario, but that ain't what happened with the preacher.

[MarcSpaz]

Although the preacher was carrying for different reasons, the end results in both scenarios are typically the same. I guess that's all I was trying to say. It should not matter "why"... short of criminal intent.

So many people assume everyone with a gun is about to start shooting the place up and kill someone. It's completely irrational. It would be like me getting arrested for driving my completely street legal drag racing car on the streets because people around me thought I was going to street race.

Truth is guys with race cars on the street don't get arrested because people are used to it. The only way people will accept us carrying regularly is if they see it in an uneventful display regularly, just like the race cars.

Someone has to have the courage to take the risk and do it. I won't go out of my way to be antagonistic, but I will OC with a rifle (and have) when I feel its appropriate for the situation.

Ultimately my goal is self-defense. I could really care less if people around me don't have a warm and fuzzy feeling. That should not impact my rights.

[MarcSpaz]

Well, I am at Logan's in Manassas. Went to Walgreens, got gass, all while OC. Surprisingly, nobody really seems to care, which is my normal experiance around here. I wonder if the rifle is what makes the difference?

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[newdovo]

"What I think is its funny that store in the video sells long guns. Are they throwing people out for carrying a gun in the store right after a customer buys one?"


actually, I bought a 22 at Walmart several years ago. They escorted me to the door to take it to my car immediately after the purchase. Wouldn't even let me buy ammo before leaving. So yes, that's what they're doing! LOL!!

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[MarcSpaz]

Wow... that's pretty crappy.

I wonder if anyone has had any luck carrying a different type of long gun, like a Henry 1860 or a Winchester lever gun. Maybe a long gun that is "less intimidating" may be a better way to easy the public back into it.

There is a huge difference in fear factor for people when you compare these to guns even though they are both equally as lethal. Actually, the Henry may do a better job of killing someone one with only one round to center mass.